Late in a 6max - Got in a bit of a jam

Hobbes

Do I need to stack off here?

Villain has been a bit active over the 20 or so hands since being moved to the table.
I've seen them limp/call OOP with Broadway several times (can't leave your babies out there)
If all my outs are good, I've got about 15 (9 hearts, 3 Jacks, 3 6's) and possibly 3 Tens and 3 Nines (but I am not really counting on those) unless villain is on overs.


We are ITM (34 players left)

Fold Pre?
Jam the flop?
Stack off on the turn?


Full Tilt Poker Game #22740438459: $3 + $0.30 Tournament (175456728), Table 4 - 500/1000 Ante 125 - No Limit Hold'em - 00:14:33 ET - 2010/08/01
Seat 1: Hero (29,448)
Seat 2: UTG (33,523)
Seat 3: CO (63,051)
Seat 5: Villain (77,613)
Seat 6: SB (89,103)
Hero antes 125
UTG antes 125
CO antes 125
Villain antes 125
SB antes 125
SB posts the small blind of 500
Hero posts the big blind of 1,000
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Th 9h]
UTG folds
CO folds
Villain raises to 2,000
SB folds
Hero calls 1,000
*** FLOP *** [8s 7d 5h]
Hero checks
Villain bets 3,000
Hero calls 3,000
*** TURN *** [8s 7d 5h] [2h]
Hero checks
Villain bets 72,488, and is all in
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero has requested TIME
Hero ?

Richard~

I think you played it fine unless you want to 3bet pre. On the turn we have to fold pretty much, you're flipping against an 8 and you have around 33% equity against an overpair

Unknown

Seems like you are in a good position but after going through some hands a ranges, i can't come up with a call. Woulda been nice to be able to slow villain down at some point here. maybe betting the flop or the turn 'if' that would help. being likely somewhere between 33 and 45% on the turn maybe we can shove? meh....., there's not really a hand we can beat,we can't even really beat a bluff here.

can't say villain even really has a hand here although typically, these donkeys hit there set of deuces here.

actyper

I would check raise allin on the flop there. Puts the tough decision on them, you have the most fe at that point, and you're never drawing dead even if he has a big hand there.

Richard~

actyper wrote: »

I would check raise allin on the flop there. Puts the tough decision on them, you have the most fe at that point, and you're never drawing dead even if he has a big hand there.

You'd check shove 26k into a 7k pot over a minbet?

DennisG

I am a fan of the check raise on the flop...that being said, it is an ugly spot for our stack size...we raise to 8.5-9k, leaving us 18k, and a pot bigger than our stack (if he calls)...so yeah, I check raise all in here too...

We are in the money, we need a double up...we have an active big stack...go big or go home.

As played, I personally call the turn shove and get ready to go do some yard work...I only do this here because it's a 3 bucker, and I don't want to waste another 2 hours for an extra 12 bucks or whatever it may be.. In a bigger buy in, I can fold this here.

jdAA88

Richard~ wrote: »

You'd check shove 26k into a 7k pot over a minbet?

I prob make it 9kish then shove the turn.

actyper

Richard~ wrote: »

You'd check shove 26k into a 7k pot over a minbet?

Its more like an 8k pot, and i'd rather check raise all in there then having to call his shove shoud he chose to 3bet allin there.

Either way if you checkraise allin the flop or shove the turn this is the hand were committing all our chips to.

BuyinBank

Short answer, yes - you need to stack off here, but you shouldn't be calling it off on the turn.

You pretty much had to call preflop vs a min-raise with the antes in play. 3betting pre is also an option, but with an M of 10 you'd need to 3bet big and shove any flop.

I agree with actyper that check-raising the flop is probably best here.

There is 8625 in the pot, and a pot-sized raise would be to 14625 total. You'd be jamming roughly 27000 instead, so even though the shove looks like a semibluff, you're the favourite against most hands here with two cards to come.

A smaller raise on the flop to around 7.5-9k is also a good option, as it sets up a pot-sized shove on the turn whether you hit your draw or not. If villian 3bet shoves your flop raise, you'll have to call.

Unknown

BuyinBank wrote: »

....... you're the favourite against most hands here with two cards to come.

What game are we playing?

BuyinBank

OESD with 2 overs against a min-raise from an aggressive player on the button in a 6max $3 MTT.

You're flipping with most 8x hands that will probably call you. You're folding out all broadway hands that are technically ahead if we showdown now, though still roughly flipping with 2 to come.

You are only really crushed by 2 pair, a set, a flopped straight, an overpair, or a hand like 89 or 8T. That said, you still have about 33% equity to make your straight and win against any of these hands.

What I meant was, you're a favourite against the bulk of his non-calling range, your aggression folds out most hands that you're flipping with (making it a good raise) and you still have roughly 30-50% equity against his calling range.

Also, I made that comment thinking he flopped the OESD with a flush draw, and realized after posting he turned the flush draw. Didn't think it was worth an edit though.

Unknown

BuyinBank wrote: »

What I meant was, you're a favourite against the bulk of his non-calling range, your aggression folds out most hands that you're flipping with (making it a good raise) and you still have roughly 30-50% equity against his calling range.

Also, I made that comment thinking he flopped the OESD with a flush draw, and realized after posting he turned the flush draw. Didn't think it was worth an edit though.

fair enough, but we were given the odds to call for our straight, random broadway is not as likely as the other hands....and ya theres no flush draw yet were likely behind here on the flop me's thinkin

Vekked

Meh, it's close but I probably fold, I think it's so marginal and in best case scenario's you're barely getting the odds. Super easy check/raise to like 8k and jam turn on the flop.