Donkey's? Are they really?

Why do we as poker players (and I use that term loosley) always seem to refer to other poker players as donkeys? Ever wonder if others also look at you as the donkey... It always seems to get used even more when the donkey has just taken our chips... Now WHO is the donkey?
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  • compuease wrote: »
    Why do we as poker players (and I use that term loosley) always seem to refer to other poker players as donkeys? Ever wonder if others also look at you as the donkey... It always seems to get used even more when the donkey has just taken our chips... Now WHO is the donkey?

    Forget your meds today?
  • GTA Poker wrote: »
    Forget your meds today?



    hahahaha, yay GTA is back!:D

    Thought you were gone till August?
  • GTA Poker wrote: »
    Forget your meds today?

    And there's one of them now! lol.... Actually this was a serious question.. We (the collective we) always are referring to the villians as donkeys, but what separates the donkey's from the rest?
    Being a vet you should have some insight into this...
  • I don't refer to anyone as a donkey unless he makes bad plays. I'll sometimes say some idiot raised from early position with 45o and flatted my 3bet hitting two pairs on the flop stacking me and I'll say that cause he's obviously clueless as to how the game works. Apart from that I use the term "guy" when talking about villains, now that's not even sexist cause I cause I can use that word for guys and girls alike ^^'
  • philliivey wrote: »
    hahahaha, yay GTA is back!:D

    Thought you were gone till August?

    Made a stop at a hotel in Southern Oregon for the night...off to check out Portland for the weekend where I should also haz interwebz
  • compuease wrote: »
    And there's one of them now! lol.... Actually this was a serious question.. We (the collective we) always are referring to the villians as donkeys, but what separates the donkey's from the rest?
    Being a vet you should have some insight into this...

    I`m (far) beyond referring to players as donkeys. If you play enough hands I think you just refer to them as your main source of profit and move on to the next hand.
  • Which came first, the chicken or the egg....

    I have to say my game started getting better when I looked at the plays I was making and called myself the donkey even if the other guy was just as dumb and got lucky. introspection on your own play is as you imply a very useful tool. Look at your play from the perspective of others and see where you made the awful plays. (unless you are of course a god amongst men like Comp, Phili and Kristy that never make mistakes ;) )

    just made a huge donkey move while writing this. luckily it worked out.

    PLO board was KJ7JK. I was holding KQQT and looked at the river and said Hey, I have a boat, Kings Full......not quite. posting and playing are not good...... luckily my river shove got a fold from what was almost certainly a turned flush.

    Yup, donkey. Can't say it was a hero move bluff as the pot was giving the guy 4-1 to call by that point and I thought I was ahead when I was nothing of the sort.
  • if being a donkey is a bad thing then why do people say 'congrats donkey' when i win all their money?
  • Whenever "we" lose a pot, we naturally assume that none of it can possibly be our fault and that the other player must be a donkey. I make notes when I lose a pot on how to exploit the villain in the future, but I sometimes let off steam by starting my note with "Idiot ..."! My notes file is 1,000 KB big, and the words "idiot" and "retard" appear quite often! >:D
    compuease wrote: »
    We (the collective we) always are referring to the villians as donkeys, but what separates the donkey's from the rest?
  • SuitedPair wrote: »
    Which came first, the chicken or the egg....

    I have to say my game started getting better when I looked at the plays I was making and called myself the donkey even if the other guy was just as dumb and got lucky. introspection on your own play is as you imply a very useful tool. Look at your play from the perspective of others and see where you made the awful plays. (unless you are of course a god amongst men like Comp, Phili and Kristy that never make mistakes ;) )

    just made a huge donkey move while writing this. luckily it worked out.

    PLO board was KJ7JK. I was holding KQQT and looked at the river and said Hey, I have a boat, Kings Full......not quite. posting and playing are not good...... luckily my river shove got a fold from what was almost certainly a turned flush.

    Yup, donkey. Can't say it was a hero move bluff as the pot was giving the guy 4-1 to call by that point and I thought I was ahead when I was nothing of the sort.

    haha, suitedpair #1!:)
  • Trust me Comp, when I sit down at a table (or my PC), I know EXACTLY who the donkey is . . .







    but you make a good point re: self perception and analysis.
  • Milo wrote: »
    but you make a good point re: self perception and analysis.
    And that is exactly the point my friend, it's all a matter of perception. To some of us anyone who beats us in a hand is a donkey, some of us view that opponent as a "food source", but some of us (and I do not mean you) I'm afraid, may BE the donkey and not even recognize it...
  • SuitedPair wrote: »
    (unless you are of course a god amongst men like Comp, Phili and Kristy that never make mistakes ;) )
    I wouldn't go that far..













    I've seen Philli and Kristy make a mistake... :)
  • Weird. I've always called them compueases. Seemed to fit...
  • moose wrote: »
    Weird. I've always called them compueases. Seemed to fit...

    Poor Old compuease. LMAO

    A donkey is a stupid looking foul smelling horse like animal that is actually useful. ON A FARM!
    Now that that's out of the way. No idea but it seems to fit in with what I write here. Well Maybe.
    I prefer to call these people: Challenged - Retarded - Idiots - Morons - Trekkies- and a few other that I care not to mention as I don't want to end up on the naughty list and banned. lol
    So called donkeys who play the worst hands possible and hit cause they are Lucky . I call them BINGO PROS along with a few other names. And we all know it's almost impossible to beat a BINGO PRO.
    I guess it comes from making JACKAssed calls.
    Donkeys are also good at making us look like retards too.
  • All I can say is.. I take a lot of abuse around here... I attribute it to jealosy.^-^
  • HVEEPOKER wrote: »
    I call them BINGO PROS

    Hey now . . . BINGO is a skill game, buddy. I mean, if you don't get your dabber down just so, you could cost yourself a BIG payday . . .

    Similarly, if you do not call AJ down to the river when he flops a set, you will never hit your OESD to force him into using his Lammer. :D



    Sometimes, you have to do the wrong thing, for the right reasons . . .
  • Fish: Someone with very little skill at poker, don't win very often but love to play.

    Donkey: Someone who thinks they invented the game, make meta-game level 5 thinking calls with garbage cards and have a horseshoe surgically installed up their rectum.
  • Okay, you be the judge, as this was taken from the golf/poker tourney on Saturday:

    Called in the BB+2 with medium suited connectors, as I had recently become the big stack at the table after stacking the player to my right.

    Flop presents with an OESD for myself. The SB checks, BB bets (pot? I do not remember). I call, despite not having quite the correct odds to do so.
    The reason I called was that I put the BB on an over pair or set and figured to get all the chips if I hit.

    Turn brings a blank. BB bets half his stack (2k), and I call figuring that if I miss I am done, but if I hit the BB is virtually commited regardless due to the size of the pot.

    River brings the gin card and my straight beats the BB's set.


    Am I a fish? A donkey? Or did I get paid off for knowing my opponent and being willing to gamble?

    I like to trade on the image that I am a player for whom the quote, " A little knowledge . . ." applies. I harbour few illusions as to my skill level compared to some on this site, but still enjoy playing with better opponents as a means of improving/testing my abilities.

    I think too often we look at opponents subjectively. I am pretty sure I know how the BB felt about that hand, but I think I played him, as opposed to the cards, rather well. Would I make this play all the time? No. Do I do it more than I should? Perhaps. But sometimes we fish need to juice the luck factor a little to compete with the sharks.
  • Milo wrote: »

    Am I a fish? A donkey? Or did I get paid off for knowing my opponent and being willing to gamble?

    What I call these players are walking ATM's. 70% ot the time they're donating x amount of chips (this time being half of my stack) with the hope of hitting the money card. After betting half of my stack and you calling, and I ship the rest of my stack on the river, all of a sudden you are getting > 4:1 on your money. Are you goign to fold if you hit a pair? What if it's top pair?

    This is play happens a lot at the casino, or any live poker. Players just want to make their hand, and they don't care about odds or the amount of money going into the pot. This is a typical fish waiting to get eaten up.

    If you know the odds and ignore them, then you're just playing stupid IMO. That being said if it's a home game and you don't care, then hey have fun. I've been known to do the same play in house games for fun. You just have to realise that this play is allways -ev, as you will lose more chips then you will win.
  • and to be back on topic:

    Compuease, a donkey is anyone who is willing to play against Syphilaids. If anyone even sits down at Syphilaids' table, they know they are just gamboling or really out of the loop as I am the true essence of pwnage.
    /thread
  • syphilaids wrote: »
    and to be back on topic:

    Compuease, a donkey is anyone who is willing to play against Syphilaids. If anyone even sits down at Syphilaids' table, they know they are just gamboling or really out of the loop as I am the true essence of pwnage.
    /thread
    So I should just lock the thread now?
  • compuease wrote: »
    So I should just lock the thread now?

    ha. Lock and Sticky pls.

    To be serious though, I'm sure I'm considered a donkey to several players. Im perfectly fine with this, it gives me an edge when they don't believe me. Its obviously just one person's opinion and doesn't count for much.

    Generally someone calls someone else a donkey when they get their money in bad and win. To be honest I can't remember a single player who hasn't made "donkey" moves, including the pros.
  • IMO; Anyone who calls a significant raise with crap cards say 2-8 os pre flop is a DONK.
    Player is just as much of an ass if hits on the flop.
    eg: I was playing a free roll last night WPT Legends 2nd stage on AP.
    I was dealt A-A. sitting in seat 5. Had 6700 chips and on the button Blinds were 50-100
    Raised to 2000 . s6 fold s7 fold seat 8 reraised all in.
    s9 fold s1 out s2 out s3 fold s4 fold.
    I called of course. another 3200
    pot over 10k
    Seat 8 shows 2d 8c
    Canukeh44 shows Ah-As
    Flop 8s Kc 2h
    turn 7s River. 8h
    Fixed, Maybe so.
    This happens a lot:bs:
  • HVEEPOKER wrote: »


    :D Blinds were 50-100
    Raised to 2000 :D



    :o
  • darbday wrote: »
    :o
    Why Shocked LMAO:confused:
  • HVEEPOKER wrote: »
    Why Shocked LMAO:confused:

    how you raise 20x the bb?
  • Hoping someone has KK or QQ. I don't mind losing to someone who actually has a reason to call. But to call and suk out with those crap cards.
    Someone pass me a fricking shotgun.
  • Regardless what he re-raised you with, raising 20x is losing a lot of value.. How many times does someone have KK or QQ when you have AA... Not very often, certainly not enough to make it a +ev play... Usually when someone raises that much I tend to put them on mid type pair like 99-JJ and they are afraid to play after the flop.. Therefore he may have thought he could get you to fold...
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