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Full Tilt Poker Game #22537663322: $1 + $0.10 Tournament (173877219), Table 13 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:23:51 ET - 2010/07/23
Seat 1: 97B18B (1,315)
Seat 2: tacoterrytaco (1,500)
Seat 3: THIRTYFIVER (380)
Seat 4: Gulypo (1,500)
Seat 5: xxterry43xx (2,280)
Seat 6: dubadub (1,730)
Seat 7: MNted (1,525)
Seat 8: forboon (3,790)
Seat 9: NattyDiphusa (1,500)
MNted posts the small blind of 15
forboon posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [Kh Kd]
97B18B raises to 90
THIRTYFIVER folds
xxterry43xx calls 90
dubadub folds
MNted folds
forboon raises to 375
97B18B has 15 seconds left to act
97B18B folds
xxterry43xx calls 285
*** FLOP *** [8s 4d 6c]
forboon checks
xxterry43xx checks
*** TURN *** [8s 4d 6c] [5d]
forboon bets 105
xxterry43xx calls 105
*** RIVER *** [8s 4d 6c 5d] [Jc]
forboon checks
xxterry43xx has 15 seconds left to act
xxterry43xx checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
forboon shows [Kh Kd] a pair of Kings
xxterry43xx shows [6s 6d] three of a kind, Sixes
Seat 1: 97B18B (1,315)
Seat 2: tacoterrytaco (1,500)
Seat 3: THIRTYFIVER (380)
Seat 4: Gulypo (1,500)
Seat 5: xxterry43xx (2,280)
Seat 6: dubadub (1,730)
Seat 7: MNted (1,525)
Seat 8: forboon (3,790)
Seat 9: NattyDiphusa (1,500)
MNted posts the small blind of 15
forboon posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [Kh Kd]
97B18B raises to 90
THIRTYFIVER folds
xxterry43xx calls 90
dubadub folds
MNted folds
forboon raises to 375
97B18B has 15 seconds left to act
97B18B folds
xxterry43xx calls 285
*** FLOP *** [8s 4d 6c]
forboon checks
xxterry43xx checks
*** TURN *** [8s 4d 6c] [5d]
forboon bets 105
xxterry43xx calls 105
*** RIVER *** [8s 4d 6c 5d] [Jc]
forboon checks
xxterry43xx has 15 seconds left to act
xxterry43xx checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
forboon shows [Kh Kd] a pair of Kings
xxterry43xx shows [6s 6d] three of a kind, Sixes
Comments
Right up until the flop. Why are we checking this flop? I put out a bet around 500-600 (I think the pot's at about 865?). He calls that, then things get interesting.
Mark
HELLO GHOST TEXT!! If anyone says "but you would have lost more that way", or something to that regard, I kick them in the nuts next time I see them.
im expecting any two broadway, which he likely bets ak, but folds to bet, on the turn im surely still ahead if i check. ill keep the pot small as his broadway will only call weak bets and if he has a set it'll usually show up on the turn. prob his vpip give me that though...
Poorly played by both... Did villain fall asleep on the river?
you think you could get him to fold?
I say that's close enough - check the ghost text in my original reply, and let me know when you're playing a real life tourney!
Mark
Ummm, no, but if you always played this passively you would never accumulate chips... He probably was trying to think what he could get payed off on the river and timed out... lol..
my thoughts are he'll fold many hands that he will try to bluff the turn or that he might catch like a j or q or something. if he has a small non setting pair then he may call a flop bet but may also bet the turn. if i bet the flop and he comes over top am i folding? surely the bet makes me pot committed.
and enough with the ghost text....we all know you put ghost text in all your threads on the off chance someone randomly says what 'you were already thinking'
Pain killers must not be working, I never see Mark cranky:D
p.s.
bet flop all day everyday!
we're keeping in mind im playing with donkeys though right?
yeah, that's probably why it's better to check call the river than bet fold
i don't build pots with over pairs. and im not paranoid, i think only a set really calls here. and i think a i can get many weaker hands to bet, especially when broadway turns the board.
This...well pretty much. I don't think a set is the only thing calling us on this flop, he can call with an underpair if he feels like it but there's so much of his range we're folding out that if we're not worried about balancing our range we can justify giving a free card if in position to induce.. (although the dryness of the flop is directly proportional to how often I'm checking behind and this isn't the dryest of flops)
with these players though some of those pairs like tt, jj, 99 etc. are hands they are very likely to bet when i check. i look to play this pot small none the less.
what does balancing mean cause i just learned it and i don't quite know.
and if i bet the flop and he goes allin, everyone's calling ....? i think you catch some overplayed pairs (that would likely stack throughout the hand anyways but loose out on all the bluff hands, and lose to sets obv.
Any reasoning as to why you don't build pots with overpairs?
And Richard I agree and understand what you're saying, but generally I think you lose value to hands that will call this flop with gutters and random overs as well as underpairs like you mentioned: ie they'll call a bet on the flop and fold to most turns unimproved.