QQ vbet line

Richard~

I felt like I nailed the betsizing on the flop turn and river here. Flop was drawheavy so I bet kinda large to protect my hand, then I went for the value I expected him to be able to call on the turn instead of pushing him off a draw or a smaller pair.

You guys like this line or would you just protect the hand and shove the turn?


Full Tilt Poker Game #21944193999: MSOP Event #49 (166893566), Table 323 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:52:35 ET - 2010/06/28
Seat 1: raunopehka (10,031)
Seat 2: Vamos11 (14,055)
Seat 3: ree22 (11,130)
Seat 4: tomtrippy (6,270)
Seat 5: FlexGmbH26 (10,875)
Seat 6: llRichardll (9,805)
Seat 7: zoro 011 (10,712)
Seat 8: alexis42300 (20,699)
Seat 9: nickjack2 (5,749)
raunopehka antes 50
Vamos11 antes 50
ree22 antes 50
tomtrippy antes 50
FlexGmbH26 antes 50
llRichardll antes 50
zoro 011 antes 50
alexis42300 antes 50
nickjack2 antes 50
raunopehka posts the small blind of 200
Vamos11 posts the big blind of 400
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to llRichardll [:qs :qc]
ree22 folds
tomtrippy folds
FlexGmbH26 folds
llRichardll raises to 1,000
zoro 011 folds
alexis42300 has 15 seconds left to act
alexis42300 calls 1,000
nickjack2 folds
raunopehka folds
Vamos11 has 15 seconds left to act
Vamos11 folds
*** FLOP *** [:5h :6d :7d]
llRichardll bets 2,000
alexis42300 has 15 seconds left to act
alexis42300 calls 2,000
*** TURN *** [:5h :6d :7d] [:kc]
llRichardll bets 4,000
alexis42300 has 15 seconds left to act
alexis42300 calls 4,000
*** RIVER *** [:5h :6d :7d :kc] [:8c]
llRichardll bets 2,755, and is all in
alexis42300 calls 2,755
*** SHOW DOWN ***
llRichardll shows [:qs :qc] a pair of Queens
alexis42300 mucks
llRichardll wins the pot (20,560) with a pair of Queens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 20,560 | Rake 0
Board: [5h 6d 7d Kc 8c]
Seat 1: raunopehka (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Vamos11 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: ree22 folded before the Flop
Seat 4: tomtrippy folded before the Flop
Seat 5: FlexGmbH26 folded before the Flop
Seat 6: llRichardll showed [Qs Qc] and won (20,560) with a pair of Queens
Seat 7: zoro 011 folded before the Flop
Seat 8: alexis42300 mucked [:8s :ah] - a pair of Eights
Seat 9: nickjack2 (button) folded before the Flop

Wetts1012

I think your line nets the same result almost always.

If villain is calling 4K on the turn here hes gonna call if you bomb.

Pre and flop are good.

Richard~

Meh, if we're gonna think like that there's no difference in the turn decision and no real discussion to be had. I didn't actually expect him to call a shove tbh, still not sure he would (it's almost double my turn bet)

jdAA88

I just shove turn and I do expect villain to call bc how can he fold an open-ended with the A-kicker lol

Unknown

Wetts1012 wrote: »

I think your line nets the same result almost always.

If villain is calling 4K on the turn here hes gonna call if you bomb.

Pre and flop are good.

yes you are pot commit-ing yourselves on the turn so he should be calling them both the same.

Unknown

preflop bet a little small which makes for the awkward turn shove i think

Richard~

darbday wrote: »

yes you are pot commit-ing yourselves on the turn so he should be calling them both the same.

actually he shouldn't be calling either of the the turn betsizes, calling over 7k with no implied odds and worse odds from the pot would be a lot worse than calling my 60-65% pot bet on the turn.

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In my experience people don't call overbets on the turn with flush or straightdraws much, but my experience is pretty limited so..

philliivey

Pre flop and flop is exactly what I would have done(wetts said it was good! yay! I am doing things right:)).

You got lucky on showdown;)

Unknown

Richard~ wrote: »

actually he shouldn't be calling either of the the turn betsizes, calling over 7k with no implied odds and worse odds from the pot would be a lot worse than calling my 60-65% pot bet on the turn.

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In my experience people don't call overbets on the turn with flush or straightdraws much, but my experience is pretty limited so..

yes you are pot commit-ing yourselves on the turn so he should be calling them both the same.

not should be calling...