Did I Miss A Spot For Value Here?

CerberusCerberus
in Analyze My Hand
PokerStars Game #45941513129: Tournament #317010494, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (125/250) - 2010/06/24 15:54:31 ET
Table '317010494 297' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: jomamoes (11077 in chips)
Seat 2: axxlef (4208 in chips)
Seat 3: Birkby Slim (13750 in chips)
Seat 4: McAusland (13693 in chips)
Seat 5: xaronsimon (1765 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: blony_tair (3955 in chips)
Seat 7: RigoletoBr (5983 in chips)
Seat 8: yugismugli (9658 in chips)
Seat 9: Al Carmo (11029 in chips)
jomamoes: posts the ante 30
axxlef: posts the ante 30
Birkby Slim: posts the ante 30
McAusland: posts the ante 30
xaronsimon: posts the ante 30
blony_tair: posts the ante 30
RigoletoBr: posts the ante 30
yugismugli: posts the ante 30
Al Carmo: posts the ante 30
xaronsimon: posts small blind 125
blony_tair: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to McAusland [7s 7c]
RigoletoBr: folds
yugismugli: folds
Al Carmo: raises 362 to 612
jomamoes: folds
axxlef: folds
Birkby Slim: folds
McAusland: calls 612
xaronsimon: folds
blony_tair: folds
*** FLOP *** [8h Ks 7h]
Al Carmo: checks
McAusland: bets 1250
Al Carmo: calls 1250
*** TURN *** [8h Ks 7h] [6s]
Al Carmo: checks
McAusland: bets 2500
Al Carmo: calls 2500
*** RIVER *** [8h Ks 7h 6s] [Ad]
Al Carmo: checks
McAusland: bets 3000
Al Carmo: calls 3000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
McAusland: shows [7s 7c] (three of a kind, Sevens)
Al Carmo: mucks hand
McAusland collected 15369 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 15369 | Rake 0
Board [8h Ks 7h 6s Ad]
Seat 1: jomamoes folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: axxlef folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Birkby Slim folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: McAusland (button) showed [7s 7c] and won (15369) with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 5: xaronsimon (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: blony_tair (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: RigoletoBr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: yugismugli folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Al Carmo mucked [Ah 2h]

Put him on the flush draw the whole way. Any time he had made these weird raises preflop and a flush draw came, he would check. Gave him the odds on flop and turn to chase, believing I could get away from it if it hit. Should I have bet more on the river or was that about all he was calling?

Comments

  • Wetts1012Wetts1012
    you got 3 streets of value here?

    If youre asking if you could bet more on the river, probably. Villain put in like 40% of his stack by Turn. The ace either helped him, or he bricked.

    I think you get the same call from betting 3K here as you do from shoving, and conversely get the same fold from shoving as you do from betting 3K if he misses.
  • HammerDadHammerDad
    You may have gotten like 500-800 more, but really that's it. Otherwise, I'd be taking notes about how many chips this guy donked off to you.

    Edit - looking at this again, only way you get any more is on the river bet if he puts you on like KQ/KJ or something.

    Man, I am going to have to remember this hand when I get home so I can long onto PS and find this guy.
  • Wetts1012Wetts1012
    HammerDad wrote: »
    You may have gotten like 500-800 more, but really that's it

    This logic doesnt make too much sense to me. At that point villain has like 60% of his chips in the middle. If hes doing this, hes calling a shove.

    Look at it before hero river action: villain put in 40% of his stack at this point.

    1) If he has a busted flush draw no pair, you get nothing, regardless.
    2) If he has Kx and has called down this far, he is calling a shove, because he is a retard.
    3) If he made an Ace on the river, he is calling a shove.
    4) If he has 2 pair, he is calling a shove.

    I think this is a very particular spot where villain is calling any bet, or folding, so there is some lost value in not sticking it in.
  • UnknownUnknown
    if he was on a flush draw then i think you overbet the river slightly although he could have an ace or king. if you can expand his range to aa and kk you have to think about betting 3000 in the end and what you would do if he shoved.
  • philliiveyphilliivey
    Am I missing something here that you should have bet more on the turn?
  • CerberusCerberus
    philliivey wrote: »
    Am I missing something here that you should have bet more on the turn?

    If I didn't believe I could fold my set on the river if the flush hit, then yes I think I should have bet more on the turn. Felt (and was right) I had a good read on villain though, so unless a heart hit I wasn't concerned.
  • UnknownUnknown
    philliivey wrote: »
    Am I missing something here that you should have bet more on the turn?

    hes doesn't want a fold....
  • philliiveyphilliivey
    darbday wrote: »
    hes doesn't want a fold....


    yes, but he want's more value! The guy is not folding on that turn.:)
  • Wetts1012Wetts1012
    philliivey wrote: »
    yes, but he want's more value! The guy is not folding on that turn.:)

    I think 2/3 pot is a good turn bet. This puts us in a position to have just a bit more than a PSB on the river so we can bomb it.
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