fu - if anyone was drawing to the flush it would've been me

Richard~Richard~
in MTT Strategy
Do you make this screw you call? All I can beat here is a bluff more or less:

PokerStars Game #45103504650: Tournament #314010286, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit12:52 ET]
Table '314010286 25' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: ionutz cioba (4 - Level XIX (2500/5000) - 2010/06/05 20:12:52 CET [2010/06/05 14:63834 in chips)
Seat 2: Siensi (82421 in chips)
Seat 3: Vasya2308 (78100 in chips)
Seat 4: AndyTheGreen (162316 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: IRichardI (194865 in chips)
Seat 6: Lolly06810 (6998 in chips)
Seat 7: Liu Yu-te (136466 in chips)
Seat 8: Koko958 (210604 in chips)
Seat 9: masspitxu (244882 in chips)
ionutz cioba: posts the ante 500
Siensi: posts the ante 500
Vasya2308: posts the ante 500
AndyTheGreen: posts the ante 500
IRichardI: posts the ante 500
Lolly06810: posts the ante 500
Liu Yu-te: posts the ante 500
Koko958: posts the ante 500
masspitxu: posts the ante 500
Lolly06810: posts small blind 2500
Liu Yu-te: posts big blind 5000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IRichardI [:qh :kd]
Koko958: folds
masspitxu: raises 5000 to 10000
ionutz cioba: calls 10000
Siensi: folds
Vasya2308: folds
AndyTheGreen: folds
IRichardI: calls 10000
Lolly06810: folds
Liu Yu-te: calls 5000
*** FLOP *** [:ks :2s :10d]
Liu Yu-te: checks
masspitxu: checks
ionutz cioba: checks
IRichardI: bets 15000
Liu Yu-te: folds
masspitxu: folds
ionutz cioba: calls 15000
*** TURN *** [:ks :2s :10d] [:9c]
ionutz cioba: checks
IRichardI: bets 25000
ionutz cioba: calls 25000
*** RIVER *** [:ks :2s :10d :9c] [:6s]
ionutz cioba: checks
IRichardI: bets 35000
ionutz cioba: raises 378334 to 413334 and is all-in
IRichardI: calls 109365 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (268969) returned to ionutz cioba
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ionutz cioba: shows [:ah :qd] (high card Ace)
IRichardI: shows [:qh :kd] (a pair of Kings)
IRichardI collected 415730 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 415730 | Rake 0
Board [Ks 2s Td 9c 6s]
Seat 1: ionutz cioba showed [Ah Qd] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 2: Siensi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Vasya2308 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: AndyTheGreen folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: IRichardI (button) showed [Qh Kd] and won (415730) with a pair of Kings
Seat 6: Lolly06810 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Liu Yu-te (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: Koko958 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: masspitxu folded on the Flop

Comments

  • Wetts1012Wetts1012
    Doubt I call (but Im folding pre).

    Everything in his range that possibly plays this way got there.

    FD's, QJ, etc. I think AQ is the only possible hand you beat here. Maybe KJ.
  • Richard~Richard~
    Wetts1012 wrote: »
    Doubt I call (but Im folding pre).

    Everything in his range that possibly plays this way got there.

    FD's, QJ, etc. I think AQ is the only possible hand you beat here. Maybe KJ.

    I just couldn't range him up, I think I would be more inclined to fold if the flushcard didn't hit tbh, I think that card makes it almost impossible for him to shove a straight here after my weak bets on the flop and turn
  • betrthanphilbetrthanphil
    the way that hand was played i really dont think i could call. Im surprised he didnt raise the turn if he was gonna steal if the flush draw hit, figured if he would represent the fd he wouldve represented the str8 on turn too. But great call worked out this time haha.
  • DennisGDennisG
    Have I mentioned how much I hate calling with KQ?? What are you ever ahead of that wants to play a decent pot? Raise, sure. Call...not so much.

    Anyway..yeah, the flop bet..15k into 47k? I like a flop bet of about 28-30ish.
    Fold the river shove.
  • Richard~Richard~
    DennisG wrote: »
    Have I mentioned how much I hate calling with KQ?? What are you ever ahead of that wants to play a decent pot? Raise, sure. Call...not so much.

    Anyway..yeah, the flop bet..15k into 47k? I like a flop bet of about 28-30ish.
    Fold the river shove.

    30k tightens up their calling ranges quite a bit though. I have top pair decent kicker but I'm not looking to blow up the pot right away. The field is prettty weak postflop and I'm confident in my ability to make tough decisions.

    And again, if I'm confident that a straight wouldn't check shove the river even against my weak bet and that he's unlikely to have a flush combined with the fact that this guy had shown a tendency to fight quite a bit for pots postflop I see no reason not to go with my gut
  • Richard~Richard~
    Related: Semi risky high reward post flop plays that only work cause people suck. (highly exploitative plays that puts me in so called "tough" spots)

    ***** History for hand T5-58995164-138 (TOURNAMENT: "$3,500 NL Holdem", R-462-349, buy-in: $33) *****
    Start hand: Mon Jun 7 18:34:35 GMT+0200 2010
    Table: Table #6 [58995164] (NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM 250/500, ante: 50, TC)
    User: Richard_5
    Button: seat 4
    Players in round: 8
    Seat 5: orca4035 (11960)
    Seat 7: Richard_5 (19104)
    Seat 8: nubbi1 (8385)
    Seat 9: belekoki (9861)
    Seat 1: bakalaka123 (8700)
    Seat 2: .maktoyb. (9691)
    Seat 3: mpampists_x (9953)
    Seat 4: daniderio4 (13140)
    orca4035 posts ante 50
    Richard_5 posts ante 50
    nubbi1 posts ante 50
    belekoki posts ante 50
    bakalaka123 posts ante 50
    .maktoyb. posts ante 50
    mpampists_x posts ante 50
    daniderio4 posts ante 50
    orca4035 posts small blind (250)
    Richard_5 posts big blind (500)
    ---
    Dealing pocket cards
    Dealing to Richard_5: [:kc, :kh]
    nubbi1 folds
    belekoki folds
    bakalaka123 folds
    .maktoyb. raises 1000 to 1000
    mpampists_x folds
    daniderio4 folds
    orca4035 folds
    Richard_5 raises 2300 to 2800
    .maktoyb. calls 1800
    --- Dealing flop [:qc, :3h, :ts]
    Richard_5 checks
    .maktoyb. checks
    --- Dealing turn [:9s]
    Richard_5 bets 4000
    .maktoyb. raises 6841 to 6841 [all in]
    Richard_5 calls 2841
    --- Dealing river [:qd]
    ---
    Summary:
    Main pot: 19932 won by Richard_5 (19932)
    Rake taken: $0
    Seat 5: orca4035 (11660), net: -300
    Seat 7: Richard_5 (29345), net: +10241, [:kc, :kh] (TWO_PAIR KING, QUEEN)
    Seat 8: nubbi1 (8335), net: -50
    Seat 9: belekoki (9811), net: -50
    Seat 1: bakalaka123 (8650), net: -50
    Seat 2: .maktoyb. (0), net: -9691, [:9h, :ad] (TWO_PAIR QUEEN, NINE)
    Seat 3: mpampists_x (9903), net: -50
    Seat 4: daniderio4 (13090), net: -50
    ***** End of hand T5-58995164-138 *****


    Full Tilt Poker Game #21441045407: Super Stack $10K Guarantee (165107672), Table 97 - 140/280 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:33:26 ET - 2010/06/07
    Seat 1: asselka (5,710)
    Seat 2: llRichardll (16,110)
    Seat 3: MakeMeMaster (11,535)
    Seat 4: BARS of BINGO (2,764)
    Seat 5: landolein (24,680)
    Seat 6: dasman13 (7,455)
    Seat 7: misstuck (14,105)
    Seat 8: OMS23BOB (18,830)
    Seat 9: MidNight83 (12,360)
    asselka antes 25
    llRichardll antes 25
    MakeMeMaster antes 25
    BARS of BINGO antes 25
    landolein antes 25
    dasman13 antes 25
    misstuck antes 25
    OMS23BOB antes 25
    MidNight83 antes 25
    dasman13 posts the small blind of 140
    misstuck posts the big blind of 280
    The button is in seat #5
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to llRichardll [:10c :ts]
    OMS23BOB folds
    MidNight83 folds
    asselka has 15 seconds left to act
    asselka raises to 840
    llRichardll calls 840
    misstuck: sick
    MakeMeMaster folds
    BARS of BINGO folds
    landolein folds
    dasman13 has 15 seconds left to act
    dasman13 folds
    misstuck folds
    *** FLOP *** [:7c :6d :3s]
    asselka has 15 seconds left to act
    dasman13: learn to fold A high
    asselka bets 1,120
    llRichardll calls 1,120
    *** TURN *** [:7c :6d :3s] [:kd]
    asselka checks
    llRichardll checks
    *** RIVER *** [:7c :6d :3s :kd] [:7s]
    asselka bets 3,725, and is all in
    llRichardll calls 3,725
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    asselka shows [As 2h] a pair of Sevens
    llRichardll shows [Tc Ts] two pair, Tens and Sevens
    llRichardll wins the pot (12,015) with two pair, Tens and Sevens
    misstuck: no m8 u got lucky lol
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 12,015 | Rake 0
    Board: [7c 6d 3s Kd 7s]
    Seat 1: asselka showed [:as :2h] and lost with a pair of Sevens
    Seat 2: llRichardll showed [:10c :ts] and won (12,015) with two pair, Tens and Sevens
    Seat 3: MakeMeMaster folded before the Flop
    Seat 4: BARS of BINGO folded before the Flop
    Seat 5: landolein (button) folded before the Flop
    Seat 6: dasman13 (small blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 7: misstuck (big blind) folded before the Flop
    Seat 8: OMS23BOB folded before the Flop
    Seat 9: MidNight83 folded before the Flop
  • Wetts1012Wetts1012
    idk those 2 hands seem pretty standard imo, specifically #2.

    Maybe I dont play the KK hand like that all the time but the 1010 line is what I'll take almost always.
  • Richard~Richard~
    True, just saying that the line is an adjustment for the way people will spew off more chips with worse hands. The call call call line or the call check call lines are designed to allow your villain to get into a spot where he'll throw chips away for no reason


    (I'm finally to the point in my game where I'm not afraid to open myself up to a checkraise or to give my opponent a chance to bluff cause I profit more than I lose in those spots)
  • philliiveyphilliivey
    Wetts1012 wrote: »
    idk those 2 hands seem pretty standard imo, specifically #2.

    Maybe I dont play the KK hand like that all the time but the 1010 line is what I'll take almost always.


    I know I know I agree with wetts all the time;) but this is bang on.


    But would like to say thanks for posting hands like this, it is giving me some confidence in myself at a time where I kinda feel lost as I would pretty much do the same as you or say wetts so I know I am at least not playing terrible.

    Be my coach you bastard!:p
  • DennisGDennisG
    Richard~ wrote: »
    30k tightens up their calling ranges quite a bit though. I have top pair decent kicker but I'm not looking to blow up the pot right away. The field is prettty weak postflop and I'm confident in my ability to make tough decisions.

    Top pair good kicker against a reasonably draw heavy board. Nothing wrong with taking the pot there for a near 25% gain in chips.
    And again, if I'm confident that a straight wouldn't check shove the river even against my weak bet and that he's unlikely to have a flush combined with the fact that this guy had shown a tendency to fight quite a bit for pots postflop I see no reason not to go with my gut
    Not sure why he would be unlikely to have the flush/straight considering the odds you gave him to draw. It seems your top pair is pretty transparent....As for his tendancies, well, those are things we can't see or know, so can't factor in when making these analysis...

    As for KK and 1010...yeah, pretty standard lines..I might change that KK up depending on how I have been playing on that particular table..but..all good.

    And yeah, ditto what Phil said...I like these hands :)
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