Flop decision v players who bets 80% of the flops

Richard~

10 dollar tourney on tilt, if we think this guy is betting 100% of his already wide range should we flat here for value or raise here for thin value/protection? He could have anything as far as I know

Question here is if we flat or raise, I don't know if he'd keep betting a wide range on the turn or shut down

Full Tilt Poker Game #21381750912: $7,500 Guarantee (164661226), Table 56 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 8:40:06 ET - 2010/06/05
Seat 1: baaftje (1,550)
Seat 2: llRichardll (1,155)
Seat 3: rustydog65 (1,235)
Seat 4: prinzeisenherz1 (1,510)
Seat 5: Siensi (3,040)
Seat 6: Nitty fish (1,330)
Seat 7: BADBEATERKE1002 (1,640)
Seat 8: toejam34 (3,325)
Seat 9: dramax90 (5,220)
baaftje posts the small blind of 25
llRichardll posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to llRichardll [:7d :qd]
rustydog65 folds
prinzeisenherz1 folds
Siensi folds
Nitty fish folds
BADBEATERKE1002 folds
toejam34 folds
dramax90 calls 50
baaftje has 15 seconds left to act
baaftje calls 25
llRichardll checks
*** FLOP *** [:7h :js :4h]
baaftje checks
llRichardll checks
dramax90 bets 100
baaftje calls 100
llRichardll raises to 350
dramax90 calls 250
baaftje folds
*** TURN *** [:7h :js :4h] [:ts]
llRichardll bets 755, and is all in
dramax90 has 15 seconds left to act
dramax90 calls 755
llRichardll shows [:7d :qd]
dramax90 shows [:3h :kh]
*** RIVER *** [:7h :js :4h :ts] [:6d]
llRichardll shows a pair of Sevens
dramax90 shows King Jack high
llRichardll wins the pot (2,460) with a pair of Sevens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,460 | Rake 0
Board: [7h Js 4h Ts 6d]
Seat 1: baaftje (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: llRichardll (big blind) showed [7d Qd] and won (2,460) with a pair of Sevens
Seat 3: rustydog65 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: prinzeisenherz1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Siensi didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Nitty fish didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: BADBEATERKE1002 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: toejam34 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: dramax90 (button) showed [3h Kh] and lost with King Jack high

Wetts1012

Based on reads we raise for value OTF, assuming we know flush draws and overs are calling.

Unknown

the situation your describing, has you absolutely not knowing what he has. as you know, youre best off in a situation where your fairly confident of the hand you put him on and even more confident on his range. the tighter the range the more accurate the ev......so if i understand the question then i fold on the flop bet.

i just read wetts answer and am very curious about all this....nonetheless i may be the worst of the three but i think we should play together and then discuss our hands....

DennisG

I don't know if I like the raise on the flop with that second player in there flatting his bet...I think I just call here and hope we improve. We don't know what player two's calling range is..but it very likely includes jacks...and on that flop we are about 35% with middle pair?? If it were only him, then I like your line a lot. If you had more chips I like the raise with two in the pot..but you really don't have room for play..

*waiting to be corrected..lol*

Richard~

DennisG wrote: »

I don't know if I like the raise on the flop with that second player in there flatting his bet...I think I just call here and hope we improve. We don't know what player two's calling range is..but it very likely includes jacks...and on that flop we are about 35% with middle pair?? If it were only him, then I like your line a lot. If you had more chips I like the raise with two in the pot..but you really don't have room for play..

*waiting to be corrected..lol*

Nah, you're right. I did write SB's hand off as marginal for no real reason, I was too focused on punishing the other guy