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can i just shove this pre flop please?

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in MTT Strategy
Full Tilt Poker Game #20941084215: $14,500 Guarantee (Rebuy) (160986200), Table 89 - 300/600 Ante 75 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:35:00 ET - 2010/05/18
Seat 1: Old Swami (43,556)
Seat 2: sasa lopove (10,678)
Seat 3: sam6451 (49,626)
Seat 4: craftypotter (13,851)
Seat 5: forboon (13,745)
Seat 6: cinjo (19,965)
Seat 7: Deny_DcD (20,983)
Seat 8: jm1304 (13,315)
Seat 9: AA_pete_AT (33,812)
Old Swami antes 75
sasa lopove antes 75
sam6451 antes 75
craftypotter antes 75
forboon antes 75
cinjo antes 75
Deny_DcD antes 75
jm1304 antes 75
AA_pete_AT antes 75
craftypotter posts the small blind of 300
forboon posts the big blind of 600
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [Ks Kc]
cinjo folds
Deny_DcD has 15 seconds left to act
Deny_DcD folds
jm1304 folds
AA_pete_AT folds
Old Swami calls 600
sasa lopove folds
sam6451 calls 600
craftypotter calls 300
forboon raises to 2,100
Old Swami has 15 seconds left to act
Old Swami calls 1,500
sam6451 folds
craftypotter has 15 seconds left to act
craftypotter calls 1,500
*** FLOP *** [3c 8c 2c]
craftypotter has 15 seconds left to act
craftypotter checks
forboon bets 4,500
Old Swami raises to 41,381, and is all in
craftypotter folds
forboon calls 7,070, and is all in
Old Swami shows [9c Tc]
forboon shows [Ks Kc]
Uncalled bet of 29,811 returned to Old Swami
*** TURN *** [3c 8c 2c] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [3c 8c 2c Ts] [Js]
Old Swami shows a flush, Ten high
forboon shows a pair of Kings
Old Swami wins the pot (30,715) with a flush, Ten high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 30,715 | Rake 0
Board: [3c 8c 2c Ts Js]
Seat 1: Old Swami showed [9c Tc] and won (30,715) with a flush, Ten high
Seat 2: sasa lopove folded before the Flop
Seat 3: sam6451 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: craftypotter (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: forboon (big blind) showed [Ks Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 6: cinjo folded before the Flop
Seat 7: Deny_DcD folded before the Flop
Seat 8: jm1304 folded before the Flop
Seat 9: AA_pete_AT folded before the Flop

Comments

  • Richard~Richard~
    I definitely wouldn't shove but I'd isolate it a bit better than you did, make it at least in the region of 2,4k to 3k preflop with 3 limpers ahead of you to get value. Apart from that it's obviously just a cooler but you need to maximize the value you get from hands and shoving just isn't the way to go with 22 BB's in a 3 dollar tourney imo
  • T8urmoneyT8urmoney
    I'd never shove pre, unless one of the players is prone to call overbets. Raise size definately an issue with 3 limpers and no position. I like to do pot size raises in that spot.....ie. raise to 3500'ish...as you want some value, but you don't want to play against 3 players.
  • UnknownUnknown
    T8urmoney wrote: »
    I'd never shove pre, unless one of the players is prone to call overbets. Raise size definately an issue with 3 limpers and no position. I like to do pot size raises in that spot.....ie. raise to 3500'ish...as you want some value, but you don't want to play against 3 players.


    ive been experimenting with smaller preflop bets so i don't want to deviate so much so i bet around 3/4 which i usually make all my street bets. but also if im gonna see a flop, i may as well save some money with two hell bound callers that spike an ace on the flop. however i think betting a little bigger here would def help in the long run.

    thx both
  • syphilaidssyphilaids
    darbday wrote: »
    ive been experimenting with smaller preflop bets so i don't want to deviate so much so i bet around 3/4 which i usually make all my street bets. but also if im gonna see a flop, i may as well save some money with two hell bound callers that spike an ace on the flop. however i think betting a little bigger here would def help in the long run.

    thx both

    It seems to me like you're playing scared poker.
    IMO, you want to CHARGE these donks that are trying to see a cheap flop with a shitty A. You don't want to save money with KK, you want to get all your money in as soon as possible. At the same time, ideally you want just one caller.

    Your preflop raise is too short, they are getting amazing odds to call you. You definetely want one caller, and you want the pot big enough on the flop that you can just get your money in.
    I'd raise at least 2800 and go up to 4000 if they're known to limp-call a lot
  • Richard~Richard~
    syphilaids wrote: »
    It seems to me like you're playing scared poker.
    IMO, you want to CHARGE these donks that are trying to see a cheap flop with a shitty A. You don't want to save money with KK, you want to get all your money in as soon as possible. At the same time, ideally you want just one caller.

    Your preflop raise is too short, they are getting amazing odds to call you. You definetely want one caller, and you want the pot big enough on the flop that you can just get your money in.
    I'd raise at least 2800 and go up to 4000 if they're known to limp-call a lot

    Just remember that if they all fold you just blew the chance of your tournament...basically
  • UnknownUnknown
    this hand isn't a rep of me i don't think, but i think i can agree i raised light.
  • syphilaidssyphilaids
    Richard~ wrote: »
    Just remember that if they all fold you just blew the chance of your tournament...basically


    I disagree. if they all fold your stack increases by 20%. Obviously you want a caller, but its not over, and you don't need KK to make this kind of move.
    Also, for those who frequent micro stakes MTTs, you'll notice that when the blinds are this high and people limp, generally they don't fold to raises.

    high blinds + early pos limper = "I'm going to see a flop hopefully as cheap as possible with my marginal hand, unless you put me all-in."
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