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Should i get it all in here?

UnknownUnknown
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do you bet do you call a re raise?

#Game No : 9089270959
***** Hand History for Game 9089270959 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny: 51298729 Level: 4 Blinds(100/200) - Saturday, April 03, 12:10:30 PDT 2010
Table $10k Gladiator Freeroll (1866370) Table #24 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10/10
Seat 4: FZ676 ( 3,940 )
Seat 3: Iipuzu ( 2,160 )
Seat 7: KoRn4532 ( 4,030 )
Seat 1: Luxor2007 ( 4,080 )
Seat 6: NICOLA54 ( 15,030 )
Seat 5: NeretiN555 ( 3,350 )
Seat 10: PokerAAses ( 7,060 )
Seat 8: PokerHero16 ( 2,723 )
Seat 2: Rockkeats ( 3,512 )
Seat 9: hero ( 4,920 )
Trny: 51298729 Level: 4
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ Kd Ks ]
NICOLA54 calls [200]
KoRn4532 folds
hero: ;)
PokerHero16 folds
hero raises [1,000]
PokerAAses folds
Luxor2007 folds
Rockkeats folds
Iipuzu folds
FZ676 folds
NeretiN555 folds
NICOLA54 calls [800]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2s, Jd, 3s ]
NICOLA54 checks
hero ???

Comments

  • Richard~Richard~
    I think it's clear we're looking to get it in here if we can. I think I'd make it like 700-900 hoping for a weak call or bad shove.

    The other way to do it is to try and make an agressive villain spew off to you by checking behind the flop. I think a 0,8x pot bet is out of the question though on a flop like this that misses so many of his hands
  • UnknownUnknown
    Richard~ wrote: »
    I think it's clear we're looking to get it in here if we can. I think I'd make it like 700-900 hoping for a weak call or bad shove.

    The other way to do it is to try and make an agressive villain spew off to you by checking behind the flop. I think a 0,8x pot bet is out of the question though on a flop like this that misses so many of his hands

    my thought (and this maybe a chick i guess) is this person has ka or a higher pp and is getting in no matter what, i make my bet at 1000 fully expecting to be re raised. I don't mind aces but i could also see jacks. is there anyway i could get out of this when he spikes his set of deuces? i could see him calling and shoving any pp....especially 88+
  • Richard~Richard~
    I dunno, I feel that it's really hard to put villain on the most retarded limp-call of all times here. I think there are too many AJ 1010, 99, 88 A9ss and so on here to fold, maybe even more retarded hands.

    To be fair I really don't think we can blame you for some idiot limp-calling OOP against you praying that she's even money pre. Maybe if you're up against a great player and the stacksizes are different you can realise that it's a really dry flop and he's unlikely to checkraise AJ so you can polarize his range more towards sets. But even then there are a few flushdraws he could be playing to make even that a really tough spot
  • Wetts1012Wetts1012
    Pretty trivial get it in spot imo.

    Stack sizes are bizarre, cant really bet the flop with any realistic number so just ship and make it look like AQ/AK missed.

    Dont know why we would ever consider folding.
  • UnknownUnknown
    pretty much the two i wanted to hear from, but i welcome others to post two cause i wanna see how the average field see it. he did in fact have deuces, and im not sure i could get away with. of course he wouldn't call a shove without his set, but with the other hands in his range over pairs (which i only lose to aa and jj) and other donk hands including the flush draw or ak (i see that call alot especially with deepstack donks).

    im think i played it fine but hit a bad flop.

    or did i get out played and lose all my chips?
  • Wetts1012Wetts1012
    darbday wrote: »
    of course he wouldn't call a shove without his set

    You got coolered. Bad bounce.

    If you shipped your last 3800 into a 2K pot on that flop I would call you very wide, and feel pretty good about it.

    Calling 99/1010, AJ, etc. That is why I like the ship with KK its pretty disguising.
  • UnknownUnknown
    Wetts1012 wrote: »
    You got coolered. Bad bounce.

    If you shipped your last 3800 into a 2K pot on that flop I would call you very wide, and feel pretty good about it.

    Calling 99/1010, AJ, etc. That is why I like the ship with KK its pretty disguising.


    ya then im down with it, had to settle down a little though, then i was pretty sure i did fine. didn't irk me much but i expected to double up. i think it can even be argued he'd the shove with dueces and not a set (from a bad out of position pre-flop call. none the less, i bet 1000 and was sure we were going all in. seems to be the same play as a full on shove to me
  • UnknownUnknown
    anyone play it different pre flop
  • ap3lovrap3lovr
    I would likely have pushed on the flop with the thought that if he has JJ, well i'm a very unlucky person. I would have put him on A/K-10 suited. Possibly with the nut flush draw after the 2 spades came out. Then again, I'm not a good poker player.
  • HammerDadHammerDad
    darbday wrote: »
    anyone play it different pre flop

    Nope. I think the raise was good, if not maybe 150-250 more then my standard at the level with a limp from EP. I may have raised to 750-850 or so.

    Shoving pre is bad as you want to accumulate chips. And while the 500 in the middle is 10% of your stack, with KK here we are looking to get as much as we can. And you want EP's call with the probably under pair or KJ/AJ type hands.

    With you can't b/f on the flop with 2300 in pf and only having 3900 back. So if you are betting 1/2 pot here, you are left with 2700 and if he shoves you are calling 2700 to win 7700, giving you near 3 to 1. If he snaps you off with 22/33 or jj (jj unlikely as most would raise pre), it is a cooler and you got unlucky, but we still have a chance to hit our two outter or BDFD.

    So pretty much the only line given the pot/stack size is b/c or shove flop. B/C sucks calling off pretty much believing you are behind, but to fold there against villains who will show up with AJ, QJ or a flush draw a good portion of the time is bad IMO.

    I shove the flop and happily take a fold most of the time and a standard cooler the other times.
  • djgolfcandjgolfcan
    Just unlucky on this one. There are too many bad players that will shove K-J, Q-J here as well. Good betting pre flop -

    As a side note, villain has 15,000 chips already. I find it interesting that these players continually get lucky early on and seem almost destined to win pots, even when they are behind.
  • UnknownUnknown
    meh this hand isn't even a question any more.
  • HammerDadHammerDad
    darbday wrote: »
    meh this hand isn't even a question any more.

    Doh, I didn't look at the original question date. Just noticed the date buddy replied....way to dig up dead posts!!!
  • HobbesHobbes
    darbday wrote: »
    meh this hand isn't even a question any more.


    Not sure why it ever was.
    darbday wrote: »
    Table $10k Gladiator Freeroll (1866370) Table #24 (Real Money)
  • UnknownUnknown
    Hobbes wrote: »
    Not sure why it ever was.

    I was frustrated ...but no longer am
  • betrthanphilbetrthanphil
    with your stack size this is a perfect chance to get a stack. I might even throw out a phil hellmuth type bet, as i like to call it, and bet like 660 to welcome a caller, or he might think you look weak and make a play at you. Some people may not like to do that as you might get a weak call by A10 with the As or something and turn comes and A and your screwed. However I think in these situations you need chips and whatever you think it will take for the villian to commit chips do it. Folding is way way way out of the question.
  • betrthanphilbetrthanphil
    haha just read other replies and saw the date, o well there it is haha.
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