Am I a prick???

Well I was playing my usual Saturday 1/2 game and the following hand came up:

Straddle for $5 and there are four callers when it gets to me on the button with A4off. I call and both SB and BB call. Flop comes 448. Checked around to me and I bet $25 hoping for a caller. The BB calls and the rest of the table folds. The turn brings a 10. BB checks so I also check. The river is a 4, so I have the nut quad 4s.

Here is where it gets interesting. BB comes out with a bet of $5. I look at him and say, "your kidding right?". He doesn't say anything. I look really annoyed at the bet and say I am all-in for $400, he has about $200 behind. He does a double take and asks the dealer if I just said I am all-in. He looks at his cards and he appears to be about to muck. I flip over my ace and tell him to fold if he can't beat an ace. He then starts to think and I know I have him on the edge of calling. I tell him again that his $5 bet was weak and he is slowing down the game so just fold so we can move on to the next hand because obviously I have him beat. He then looks really ticked off and pushes all his chips in the middle. I flip over the nut 4 and he turns beat red and gets a full rack of $5 chips ($500) and goes on major tilt. He then starts complaining that I shouldn't have shown a card (the house rule is heads-up showing your cards is allowed).

Do you think any of my comments were uncalled for? Do you think this type of edging a player on is part of the game or bad 'sportsmanship'?

Comments

  • Not illegal...

    Not an angle shoot. A little more aggressive than your average patter, but i've seen worse.

    Of course, I thought those guys were pricks...

    Mark
  • :D



    It's all I can think of right now . . .

    Well, that and how, if this were the States, you might have eaten a bullet.
  • DrTyore wrote: »
    Not an angle shoot.

    so what kind of comments would have been more of an 'angle shoot'?
  • Angle shoot is cheating IMO


    Can't remember the thread, and I couldn't find it, but I remember someone did one at the CNE couple years back, and was shocked when everyone called him an angle shooter...

    I'd consider this an angle shoot - even though it's not QUITE outside the rules

    Mark
  • I like anything that exploits the egos of (preferably drunk) white guys at the poker table
  • Richard~ wrote: »
    I like anything that exploits the egos of (preferably drunk) white guys at the poker table

    Hang on...

    Have we met?

    Mark
  • I think it's fine, nh luckbox!
  • drtyore/pokerJah. Thanks for the thread resurrections. Both good threads.
  • ok seriously, this is angling. IMO, showing a card is the biggest form of angling but if its allowed in the game, why the hell not do it?

    I don't think angling should be disallowed, and I don't think it is cheating as long as there's guidelines. If the villian tells you to shut up then do so. If he tries to read through your speech then either player can benefit from it. By trying to angle here you're also giving up information.

    As a side note, that speech is angling, you are a prick/asshole/gayporn but it was fracking awesome dude! You pwned him here, I wouldn't be ashamed, but 100 years ago you would have been shot. In reality, only donks or tilt monkeys get owned by speeches.
  • syphilaids wrote: »
    In reality, only donks or tilt monkeys get owned by speeches.

    LOL. I was thinking this. Your speech auto tells me you have the super nut.

    I guess I underestimate how bad some people really are, which is why I never talk. Burning money I suppose.....
  • pokerJAH wrote: »
    Well I was playing my usual Saturday 1/2 game and the following hand came up:

    Straddle for $5 and there are four callers when it gets to me on the button with A4off. I call and both SB and BB call. Flop comes 448. Checked around to me and I bet $25 hoping for a caller. The BB calls and the rest of the table folds. The turn brings a 10. BB checks so I also check. The river is a 4, so I have the nut quad 4s.

    Here is where it gets interesting. BB comes out with a bet of $5. I look at him and say, "your kidding right?". He doesn't say anything. I look really annoyed at the bet and say I am all-in for $400, he has about $200 behind. He does a double take and asks the dealer if I just said I am all-in. He looks at his cards and he appears to be about to muck. I flip over my ace and tell him to fold if he can't beat an ace. He then starts to think and I know I have him on the edge of calling. I tell him again that his $5 bet was weak and he is slowing down the game so just fold so we can move on to the next hand because obviously I have him beat. He then looks really ticked off and pushes all his chips in the middle. I flip over the nut 4 and he turns beat red and gets a full rack of $5 chips ($500) and goes on major tilt. He then starts complaining that I shouldn't have shown a card (the house rule is heads-up showing your cards is allowed).

    Do you think any of my comments were uncalled for? Do you think this type of edging a player on is part of the game or bad 'sportsmanship'?

    I think that's one of the only decent plays you've ever made. Now please post the hand where you fold KK preflop to his steam shove.
  • syphilaids wrote: »
    ok seriously, this is angling. IMO, showing a card is the biggest form of angling but if its allowed in the game, why the hell not do it?

    Showing a card HU is in no way angle shooting.
  • GTA Poker wrote: »
    I think that's one of the only decent plays you've ever made. Now please post the hand where you fold KK preflop to his steam shove.

    you would have loved the hand where I showed a card to prove I didn't have a flush, then after this resulted in a call, I proceeded to flip over the other card to produce the boat. Man, was she steamed.

    If it was drama you wanted all these years, you should have just asked :)
  • betting $5 into a pot like that is the prick move here. i can never understand why people do this, all it does is show they have no concept of the game. I would of added "you know we're playing poker here right?" glad you caught him like this, i don't think i could help myself from harassing him for the rest of the session. I play online though, but if i had a few in me that kind of situation would likely get me kicked out of the room.

    "if i didn't show you my ace, you wouldn't have called with such a stupid hand"
  • pokerJAH wrote: »
    you would have loved the hand where I showed a card to prove I didn't have a flush, then after this resulted in a call, I proceeded to flip over the other card to produce the boat. Man, was she steamed.

    If it was drama you wanted all these years, you should have just asked :)

    She, even better
  • darbday wrote: »
    betting $5 into a pot like that is the prick move here. i can never understand why people do this

    I always hate the $5 bet into a big pot (have seen this done with much bigger pots); I have used it personally on a few occations against certain players. There is one guy I play against once in a while, I know it really ticks him off so when I have the nuts, I will throw out $3 (1/2) and he will always come over the top for 2 x pot.
  • GTA Poker wrote: »
    Showing a card HU is in no way angle shooting.

    How is not angle shooting?

    Quoted from Moose:
    A player miscalling a hand with the intent to cause another player to act on their hand risks forfeiture of the pot and/or expulsion from the Poker Room.

    Showing a card kinda does this.
  • syphilaids wrote: »
    How is not angle shooting?

    Quoted from Moose:
    A player miscalling a hand with the intent to cause another player to act on their hand risks forfeiture of the pot and/or expulsion from the Poker Room.

    Showing a card kinda does this.

    NOT if the club rules says it doesn't.
  • syphilaids wrote: »
    How is not angle shooting?

    Quoted from Moose:
    A player miscalling a hand with the intent to cause another player to act on their hand risks forfeiture of the pot and/or expulsion from the Poker Room.

    Showing a card kinda does this.

    quoted from Moose?

    lol
  • I didn't mis-called any hand; he still has to decide whether he is going to call or not. I never told him my hand and this actually provides him with more information. Now if he folded after the push and I showed a complete bluff, that wouldn't be any different if he inferred that I had a better hand than him. The only reason I showed the card was because I could see him getting ready to fold and I had nothing to lose with the nuts. As you can see, it worked out to my benefit.
  • the move was great, I just think its angling.

    Personally, I love angling and taking it out of poker for me is taking a piece of the game out. Our home game allways has angling, and its great fun. Obviously everyone thinks differently.

    I don't see the difference in showing a card, pretending to push your chips, giving speeches, mis-calling your hand, saying shit like "ill show you if you fold" it's all trying to get into the villian's head and get him to do what you want him to do.

    THe rules are obviously different here the west coast. You're not allowed to intentionally show your cards before showdown or its mucked. It's considered angling here
    Maybe you guys are just referring angling to fishing for a read. I dont know.
  • The deliberately miscalling rule is so that you don't say on the river "I have a flush" to get the other guy to muck and then show a bluff. He didn't do anything other than show a card.
  • moose wrote: »
    The deliberately miscalling rule is so that you don't say on the river "I have a flush" to get the other guy to muck and then show a bluff. He didn't do anything other than show a card.

    This is it exactly.... As Moose says, that's angling, however two years ago most Casinos allowed you to show a card while playing cash (not tournaments) as long it was down to heads up. Recently "some" casinos have started to make it a rule that you can never show a card... I have no real preference either way on that one...
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