Am I a prick???
Well I was playing my usual Saturday 1/2 game and the following hand came up:
Straddle for $5 and there are four callers when it gets to me on the button with A4off. I call and both SB and BB call. Flop comes 448. Checked around to me and I bet $25 hoping for a caller. The BB calls and the rest of the table folds. The turn brings a 10. BB checks so I also check. The river is a 4, so I have the nut quad 4s.
Here is where it gets interesting. BB comes out with a bet of $5. I look at him and say, "your kidding right?". He doesn't say anything. I look really annoyed at the bet and say I am all-in for $400, he has about $200 behind. He does a double take and asks the dealer if I just said I am all-in. He looks at his cards and he appears to be about to muck. I flip over my ace and tell him to fold if he can't beat an ace. He then starts to think and I know I have him on the edge of calling. I tell him again that his $5 bet was weak and he is slowing down the game so just fold so we can move on to the next hand because obviously I have him beat. He then looks really ticked off and pushes all his chips in the middle. I flip over the nut 4 and he turns beat red and gets a full rack of $5 chips ($500) and goes on major tilt. He then starts complaining that I shouldn't have shown a card (the house rule is heads-up showing your cards is allowed).
Do you think any of my comments were uncalled for? Do you think this type of edging a player on is part of the game or bad 'sportsmanship'?
Straddle for $5 and there are four callers when it gets to me on the button with A4off. I call and both SB and BB call. Flop comes 448. Checked around to me and I bet $25 hoping for a caller. The BB calls and the rest of the table folds. The turn brings a 10. BB checks so I also check. The river is a 4, so I have the nut quad 4s.
Here is where it gets interesting. BB comes out with a bet of $5. I look at him and say, "your kidding right?". He doesn't say anything. I look really annoyed at the bet and say I am all-in for $400, he has about $200 behind. He does a double take and asks the dealer if I just said I am all-in. He looks at his cards and he appears to be about to muck. I flip over my ace and tell him to fold if he can't beat an ace. He then starts to think and I know I have him on the edge of calling. I tell him again that his $5 bet was weak and he is slowing down the game so just fold so we can move on to the next hand because obviously I have him beat. He then looks really ticked off and pushes all his chips in the middle. I flip over the nut 4 and he turns beat red and gets a full rack of $5 chips ($500) and goes on major tilt. He then starts complaining that I shouldn't have shown a card (the house rule is heads-up showing your cards is allowed).
Do you think any of my comments were uncalled for? Do you think this type of edging a player on is part of the game or bad 'sportsmanship'?
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Not an angle shoot. A little more aggressive than your average patter, but i've seen worse.
Of course, I thought those guys were pricks...
Mark
It's all I can think of right now . . .
Well, that and how, if this were the States, you might have eaten a bullet.
so what kind of comments would have been more of an 'angle shoot'?
Can't remember the thread, and I couldn't find it, but I remember someone did one at the CNE couple years back, and was shocked when everyone called him an angle shooter...
I'd consider this an angle shoot - even though it's not QUITE outside the rules
Mark
http://www.pokerforum.ca/f7/play-wrong-cne-16843/
Mark
Hang on...
Have we met?
Mark
I don't think angling should be disallowed, and I don't think it is cheating as long as there's guidelines. If the villian tells you to shut up then do so. If he tries to read through your speech then either player can benefit from it. By trying to angle here you're also giving up information.
As a side note, that speech is angling, you are a prick/asshole/gayporn but it was fracking awesome dude! You pwned him here, I wouldn't be ashamed, but 100 years ago you would have been shot. In reality, only donks or tilt monkeys get owned by speeches.
LOL. I was thinking this. Your speech auto tells me you have the super nut.
I guess I underestimate how bad some people really are, which is why I never talk. Burning money I suppose.....
I think that's one of the only decent plays you've ever made. Now please post the hand where you fold KK preflop to his steam shove.
Showing a card HU is in no way angle shooting.
you would have loved the hand where I showed a card to prove I didn't have a flush, then after this resulted in a call, I proceeded to flip over the other card to produce the boat. Man, was she steamed.
If it was drama you wanted all these years, you should have just asked
"if i didn't show you my ace, you wouldn't have called with such a stupid hand"
She, even better
I always hate the $5 bet into a big pot (have seen this done with much bigger pots); I have used it personally on a few occations against certain players. There is one guy I play against once in a while, I know it really ticks him off so when I have the nuts, I will throw out $3 (1/2) and he will always come over the top for 2 x pot.
How is not angle shooting?
Quoted from Moose:
A player miscalling a hand with the intent to cause another player to act on their hand risks forfeiture of the pot and/or expulsion from the Poker Room.
Showing a card kinda does this.
NOT if the club rules says it doesn't.
quoted from Moose?
lol
Personally, I love angling and taking it out of poker for me is taking a piece of the game out. Our home game allways has angling, and its great fun. Obviously everyone thinks differently.
I don't see the difference in showing a card, pretending to push your chips, giving speeches, mis-calling your hand, saying shit like "ill show you if you fold" it's all trying to get into the villian's head and get him to do what you want him to do.
THe rules are obviously different here the west coast. You're not allowed to intentionally show your cards before showdown or its mucked. It's considered angling here
Maybe you guys are just referring angling to fishing for a read. I dont know.
This is it exactly.... As Moose says, that's angling, however two years ago most Casinos allowed you to show a card while playing cash (not tournaments) as long it was down to heads up. Recently "some" casinos have started to make it a rule that you can never show a card... I have no real preference either way on that one...