Raise announced question

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Good day all, been lurking for a while just enjoying reading the great advice and insights you all have.

I'm casual player, but getting more serious as I go along...I came across a situation during a game that sparked a heated debate and would like to ask a question. I tried the search function with no luck....so if this has been covered before, please point me in the right direction.

When a raise is announced and then a number is called out....is the total amount of the bet that number or is that number in addition to the original bet or what you may already have in? For example: If the blinds are 5-10 and the table folds around to the small blind and they announce raise and say $30...is that the bet or are they obligated to put in $35?

I have always been under the impression that the number announced is the total...am I wrong?

kingkao86

That is why people should not just only say raise. It should be "raise to" or "raise more". But, in this case, depends on the way it is said and whether their is a pause. If there is a pause, then it is implied to be the total amount bet. If there is no pause, raise 50, then it is on top of the initial bet.

But anyways, I don't think anyone at the table would take offense and just wait for the chips to go in. Don't think their is an obligation here. Just tell the player to be more clear.

schabs

I think you can caulk this one up under "Verbal Is Binding" category. If the blinds are are 5-10 and some raises to $30, it would be $30 total. Now if the raiser had said $30 more, it would constitute the initial $10 for the call plus $30, so in total $40 would be the price of poker now.

I see alot of people that are new to live poker mess this up, its always best to verbalize what you are going to do, and then get the chips out there. That's my opinion anyways.

Cheers

Milo

Home Game setting:
Player 1: Raise 30 . . .
Player 2: 30 total?
Player 1: Yes, 30 total . . . sorry.
Player 2: NP, just wanted to make sure.

Casino setting:

Player 1: Raise 30 . . .
Player 2: 30 total?
Player 1: Yes, 30 total . . . sorry.
Player 3: Verbal is binding he has raise 30 on top.
Player 1: ???
Player 4: FLOOR !!!

MidnightMike

I think Milo is correct. Raise 30 is a raise of 30 above the current pot. In a casino type setting. Like an earlier post mentioned the language used can be very key.

trigs

i always try to say "raise 50 more" or "raise 50 on top" just to be clear.

Milo

MidnightMike wrote: »

I think Milo is correct. Raise 30 is a raise of 30 above the current pot. In a casino type setting. Like an earlier post mentioned the language used can be very key.

*sniff* you like me . . . you really like me . . .

ottawaplayer

Due to this confusion between players at the same table over what a verbal "raise ##" means, when I am playing with people I do not know, I always just say "raise" and let the number of chips I move forward identify the amount.

It gives me extra time to think... I say "Raise", then I will put the call amount of chips in one pile (right in front of me) and stack my actual raise in a second pile, then slide them out together. I find dealers like this as well as they can quickly identify the raise amount.

Sharantyr

ottawaplayer wrote: »

Due to this confusion between players at the same table over what a verbal "raise ##" means, when I am playing with people I do not know, I always just say "raise" and let the number of chips I move forward identify the amount.

It gives me extra time to think... I say "Raise", then I will put the call amount of chips in one pile (right in front of me) and stack my actual raise in a second pile, then slide them out together. I find dealers like this as well as they can quickly identify the raise amount.

I have seen players do similar to this at CRegina. They announce a raise and grab a stack of chips. They place it over the bet line and proceed to cut their chips. The house rule there is there is no string betting, and cutting your chips counts as thus. You are then commited to either a call, or if the cut was large enough, a max raise of the first cut pile amount.

My advice is to try and be aware of house rules. Even home games would have varied rules. If you are unsure of something, ask! If the dealers/players can't tell you, call the floor manager or equivalent.

Milo

HEY !!! Midnight Mike said I was right. That means the thread is OVER.

No more discussion, especially if it means I may no longer be right. Don't you folks read Caddie's posts.

NOTHING is more important than Milo being right . . .

Sharantyr

@}->--

philliivey

LOL Milo:wink2:

Milo

That was fun, but now I owe Shar a loonie for copyright infringement.

philliivey

Flowers for all:D

Kristy

WTF, when did we get another Petesky?

I vote for an epic showdown, as, imho..

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE.


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Milo

Hey, I have much better knees, and my tartan was Campbell of Argyll . . .

Kristy

Milo wrote: »

Hey, I have much better knees, and my tartan was Campbell of Argyll . . .

You can challenge the winner of Petesky v. Peteskie for the title.

I feel like we're the only kids on the playground this morning Milo.

Milo

Yeah, I hate vacation time . . . feel like crap . . .



TAG, you're it. Bet you cannot find me on this Forum.

Kristy

LOL

you're looking at the man-boobs in the "Tits or GTFO" thread, final answer..ez game. :cool:

ReefAquarium

Milo wrote: »

Home Game setting:
Player 1: Raise 30 . . .
Player 2: 30 total?
Player 1: Yes, 30 total . . . sorry.
Player 2: NP, just wanted to make sure.

Casino setting:

Player 1: Raise 30 . . .
Player 2: 30 total?
Player 1: Yes, 30 total . . . sorry.
Player 3: Verbal is binding he has raise 30 on top.
Player 1: ???
Player 4: FLOOR !!!

In all the casino's that I've been to , "Raise 30" means you have to put a total of 30 in. *not* "30 on top".

MidnightMike

if we are gonna go there. I wear the Cameron Tartan.

Kristy

idk about tartans, but my family names are: Seabrook, GoodMurphy, Foreman, Lamb, and Harding...I'll enlist with whichever has the biggest, meanest roster. (and I defy any of you to top THAT display of British lineage.)

Milo

I have no British lineage. Campbell of Argyll is the Regimental tartan for the Reserve unit I was in. Also entitled to wear the Canadian tartan, but that pattern sucks.