curious....
Haven't posted for a long time because haven't played for awhile now
but anyway to the topic
I've been recently playing really low poker (penny poker)
been playing a mixture of ring games and tourny games...
Now i'm realize that in tourny play the late registration is really out of hand ... specially in the low limit buy in because it would go on for like 30mins~hour for ppl to join
i understand for a business stand point it's good because it will bring in players to pay the fee but for the players that join from the very start isn't fair because it would be going against new players that didn't play before... specially if the early players lost a big hand
guess i would like your comment on this for late registration now are there tourny that doesn't have late registration seem to me all low buy-in ones does
but anyway to the topic
I've been recently playing really low poker (penny poker)
been playing a mixture of ring games and tourny games...
Now i'm realize that in tourny play the late registration is really out of hand ... specially in the low limit buy in because it would go on for like 30mins~hour for ppl to join
i understand for a business stand point it's good because it will bring in players to pay the fee but for the players that join from the very start isn't fair because it would be going against new players that didn't play before... specially if the early players lost a big hand
guess i would like your comment on this for late registration now are there tourny that doesn't have late registration seem to me all low buy-in ones does
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does that even increase the chances of winning ? or getting in the money
People starting from the first levels are gonna get more hands and more chances to utilize their edge. if you suck you're probably better off regestering late cause you get less hands for someone else to use their edge on you in
but if you take a basic strategy like playing tight you get alot more cheap rounds to find cards in. and by the later rounds the really crappy players are more likely to already have given there chips away. i know nothing about this aspect of the tourney though, and i don't know what 30 mins equals in online hands.
also (like i posted here before i believe), i hate it when i sign up for a tournament and there`s 200 people in it so i decide i`ll have time to play it all. then i check back about 10 minutes into the tournament and there`s 700+ people in it. i sometimes like to have some sort of ballpark idea of how many people will be in a tournament before i sign up simply due to time management.
Play the 180 s'n'go's or the cap tourney's if field size is an issue.
I'm quite the opposite oppinion....those who register late have a disadvantage, I started off @ 50-100 BB's, if you wait until the last second, you can have as little as 10-30 BB's. That's a big advantage.
Also, the bigger the prize pool, the more I get for winning:)
Someone please explain the injustice in this in words that I can understand ^^'
injustice...not quite.
fair that someone didn`t get blinded down and can join with a full starting stack even though i got rivered early and have less than him or her...no, not fair imho. although, not really the biggest deal either, but i still don`t see how it`s fair in any way.
it's fair cause you got sucked out on, he's gonna get his chance to get sucked out on too. He didn't get blinded down but he didn't get any hands or oppertunities to chip up either.
I really really really don't see the reasoning behind this
...perhaps we are misunderstanding what we are each meaning by the word fair. again, i don`t think it`s a big deal, but it is obviously not fair - it`s impossible for it to be fair in fact. perhaps you`d understand my point if i said it`s not equal. maybe that would make more sense to you.
Nope, still no bells ringing ^^' . It's still 100% equal in my mind
Winning or losing chips does not matter in fairness.
ahh...okay then. i can`t really disagree with you if you don`t know the definition of equal. since in this instance there`s an impossibility of equality i guess we have nothing left to say to each other...
how is signing up late vs signing up on time 100% the same thing...i don`t get it. perhaps you should explain your side because you aren`t listening to me i think, otherwise you see that late vs on time registration is obviously two different things and it`s impossible for them to be equal.
yeah, you`re right in a sense. the word fair is not really used in this context any more even though that is the original understanding of the word. replace it with equal or equality. that`s what was really meant by it in this thread (and how most people use the word fair nowadays).
you "know" or you "think". have you crunched the numbers sort of thing or is this just your feeling. it's honestly 100% balanced? no edge in either direction? i find that very hard to believe simply because you say so, sorry.
I'm the total opposite, I hate rebuy, just because of the first couple of stages are ridiculous. People playing like donkeys and its a real crap shoot for the first couple of levels, if you don't double up the first couple levels, you are at a complete disadvantage because everyone was being all donkey like and tightens up once the rebuys are done. So if you didn't get a hand the first couple of levels, you are shit out of luck, the blinds are big, and the average stack is huge.
Late registration is fair, as people register late, you've had the opportunity to build up your stack and people bust out of the tournament as well. You've had your chance to build your chip stack and they come in 50 minutes late with 1500 chips when the average chip stack is 1600 and hopefully you are ahead of the average. If you have no confidence in your deep stack game in early tourney scenario to pick up chips, then just register late! The chance to accumulate chips is much better.
yup. in other words, it's not equal. it's impossible to be equal.
its equal and fair because all players get to do it, but as far as the segment of the topic goes, if you reg late, then you are tossing opportunity. if you are sitting as a short stack pissed at the late reg's you don't understand poker...
Rebuys are a whole different game. They are essentially lower rake, deep stack tournaments. If you can't handle the gambling in the early stages to get chips on the table, don't play them.
I used the word know and thing representing what I know and what I think. No reason to expect there to be any edge in either direction is there? Your rambling about losing a pot early is nonsense tbh as it doesn't take into account your expected stack size after half an hour or whichever time you want to look at
Looking at extremes it wouldn't be profitable to register at the bubble of a tournament with 2 BB's. The question is if it becomes more and more unprofitable the further behind the field you start as long as you start with a certain number of BB's. That's the part I don't think neccesarily holds true
yes you lose edge in the long run by reggin late.
I suppose some bad players have time to bust, but mathematically I don't see why you would
Edit: Talking about average joe right now, not a good player
for one as time goes by the less than average joes have lost there chips. the average field competition is higher already.
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HerchelW didn't seem to think so, and if he's ok with it I'm sticking to my gut feeling that it can't be terrible if we ignore the strength of the players in or as we would say in physics "assuming a uniform field strength ^^' "
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