cash game basics

so I am thinking of trying cash games, I have started last night at 5nl, 1st 2 sessions(if you cAll them that have come out like even), what are the basics?

I want position on calling stations and lags right?

what kind of tables should a tag like me look for as to how many players to the flop etc etc

In general I think cash is a waste of time and with my luck prob not a good idea but just something I am throwing around
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  • play well and win monies
  • cash tables are a thing of variance. while im also TAG in SnG's and tourneys, you will get eaten alive and not get maximum +EV on your bets as better players like me will see right through you and not call even value bets.

    LAG and good luck can prove very profitable, but the swings take a toll on a players brain.

    Good luck.
  • GTA Poker wrote: »
    play well and win monies




    hehehehehe, check!:)


    wish it was a cash table I was just on in the mtt on stars I am playing, sooooooooooo much dead money, then I got moved asgdgfgfhfhjdh
  • boogeyman wrote: »
    cash tables are a thing of variance. while im also TAG in SnG's and tourneys, you will get eaten alive and not get maximum +EV on your bets as better players like me will see right through you and not call even value bets.

    LAG and good luck can prove very profitable, but the swings take a toll on a players brain.

    Good luck.

    lol here we go again -- blocked
  • Quote:
    Originally Posted by boogeyman viewpost.gif
    cash tables are a thing of variance. while im also TAG in SnG's and tourneys, you will get eaten alive and not get maximum +EV on your bets as better players like me will see right through you and not call even value bets.

    LAG and good luck can prove very profitable, but the swings take a toll on a players brain.

    Good luck.


    lol here we go again -- blocked


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    good cause that was total bs....
  • Can the mods not block an IP address?
  • I would like to make a statement.

    I called it.
  • GTA Poker wrote: »
    Can the mods not block an IP address?

    I used to but I don't have that ability anymore.... :(
  • Wetts1012 wrote: »
    I would like to make a statement.

    I called it.



    HAHAHA

    Me too, but I saw after that you called it first;)
  • compuease wrote: »
    i used to but i don't have that ability anymore.... :(



    wtf.............................
  • Wetts1012 wrote: »
    I would like to make a statement.

    I called it.

    Yup. He called it.
  • calling station..... :) taking you down tomorrow...
  • Keep it simple (no fancy play syndrome). Don't assume people are making moves on you (better to do bad fold than bad call).

    Position on the lags is kinda big but I don't think low limit table selection is that huge of a deal since so many tables are so soft. Looser the better imo.

    Take notes!
  • Gutsy wrote: »
    Keep it simple (no fancy play syndrome). Don't assume people are making moves on you (better to do bad fold than bad call).

    Position on the lags is kinda big but I don't think low limit table selection is that huge of a deal since so many tables are so soft. Looser the better imo.

    Take notes!

    This.
    From 5nl to 25nl and even some 50nl you're gonna want to just play solid ABC TAG. You'll rarely want to bluff since no one folds at these levels so you will get called down a lot with bottom pair (which is a good thing and a bad thing). Play your position. It is incredibly easy to steal blinds at these levels as most players don't defend. Also, are you going to be playing 6max or full ring? If 6max you're gonna be playing looser than normal, but with full ring it gives you more time to play patiently. I would definitely recommend reading the Harrington on Cash series as well. Great advice in those books and will definitely get you on your way to developing a profitable style at the cash tables. If you can't get the books and don't mind a pdf file I could hook you up.
  • derrickone wrote: »
    This.
    From 5nl to 25nl and even some 50nl you're gonna want to just play solid ABC TAG. You'll rarely want to bluff since no one folds at these levels so you will get called down a lot with bottom pair (which is a good thing and a bad thing). Play your position. It is incredibly easy to steal blinds at these levels as most players don't defend. Also, are you going to be playing 6max or full ring? If 6max you're gonna be playing looser than normal, but with full ring it gives you more time to play patiently. I would definitely recommend reading the Harrington on Cash series as well. Great advice in those books and will definitely get you on your way to developing a profitable style at the cash tables. If you can't get the books and don't mind a pdf file I could hook you up.



    thanks, a pdf file may take too much of your time as it would be what 300 pages and i don't want to pull you away from your pokeeee:).


    Oh yes it is 6 max I play, Is it not like 6 players to every flop in full ring? lololol
  • Wetts1012 wrote: »
    I would like to make a statement.

    I called it.


    Nice, when did you call it? I sorta pointed it out here,

    http://www.pokerforum.ca/f12/ola-dubh-21856/

    Think it was like the second post.....only reason I picked it up is I had just been through the scotch thread.



    Good advice on the cash games guys. Going to see if I can grab the harrington books.
  • Botmac wrote: »


    This! Plus, read the CoW's on a weekly basis. Excellent stuff!

    Also, join a sweat group. Very good way to get the basics down, without the expense of coaching.
  • Man, I would love to get a sweat group. But, I've been doing poker all by myself.

    Anyways, I knew someone who only played SNGs because he could never figure out a way to make money on the micros. But ring games is where the money is at. I think at the 5NL level, you want to play solid tight poker. Any 3 bet preflop, you are probably no good and should fold. As other said, don't over analyze and think that people are bluffing you.

    I don't think position at these tables or finding good tables is that important at these stakes. You should be able to handle any situation at these stakes.

    Just keep playing, you will figure it out.
  • philliivey wrote: »
    thanks, a pdf file may take too much of your time as it would be what 300 pages and i don't want to pull you away from your pokeeee:).


    Oh yes it is 6 max I play, Is it not like 6 players to every flop in full ring? lololol

    I actually already have the pdf files on my computer. I downloaded a huge folder of poker books a while back and they were included. All I would have to do is upload it.
  • Thanks guys, this has been a very bad weekend, just not in poker but in life, so may not touch the cash tables today,lol

    For poker wise, still can't win a race or hit a flop, what did I do to deserve all this bad luck?:(

    So good time to read above link!:)
  • derrickone wrote: »
    I actually already have the pdf files on my computer. I downloaded a huge folder of poker books a while back and they were included. All I would have to do is upload it.


    sweeet, ya that would be appreciated if it is not too much trouble.:)
  • philliivey wrote: »
    sweeet, ya that would be appreciated if it is not too much trouble.:)

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  • kingkao86 wrote: »
    I don't think position at these tables or finding good tables is that important at these stakes.

    Don't necessarily agree with your first comment, but yea, table selection isn't AS important. Still, if you want to get better, practice table selection on the micro's.

    If anyone wants to start a sweat group for micro's here, my Skype is str82ace
  • so I lied and sitting at a full ring,lol

    Is this good? on right track?


    Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 575031
    The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

    UTG+1: $4.59
    UTG+2: $2.88
    MP1: $5.95
    MP2: $5.00
    CO: $2.91
    BTN: $2.20
    SB: $9.43
    Hero (BB): $4.63
    UTG: $4.93

    Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with 7heart.gif 6spade.gif
    1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.05, UTG+2 calls $0.05, 2 folds, CO calls $0.05, BTN calls $0.05, SB calls $0.03, Hero checks

    Flop: ($0.30) 3heart.gif 5diamond.gif 4heart.gif(6 players)
    SB bets $0.15, Hero raises to $0.55, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, CO calls $0.55, BTN folds, SB folds

    Turn: ($1.55) 3club.gif(2 players)
    Hero bets $0.50, CO folds

    Final Pot: $1.55
    Hero mucks 7heart.gif 6spade.gif
    Hero wins $1.50
    (Rake: $0.05)
  • Turn bet is a bit too weak with a flush out there, but it did the trick.
    NH
  • my quick advice:

    - play most pairs 22-JJ up to 1/12 of your stack (assuming the raiser has you covered)
    - QQ - AA raising and more raising
    - play Ax suited and suited connectors in late position so you can see lots of flops; raise with them once in a while;
    - AK/AQ - raise in position and mix up raising/calling in early position; I'm not a big fan of A10 or AJ unless suited. Will play them once in a while if I can see a flop for cheap;
    - don't fall in love with dangerous hands like KJ, K10, QJ. they can cost you a lot of money.
    - play your made hands aggressively, i.e don't let other player(s) catch up.. bet your hands accordingly;
    - don't fall in love with over pair or TPTK; if you are getting a lot of aggression from another player, you are probably beat.
    - mix up your game; some times check with big pairs, AK, etc. and if you miss the flop, move on
    - most importantly, have fun!!

    - side note - suited connectors really make you a lot of money in this game when they hit. Also, always consider stack sizes when making a decision to raise/call/fold
  • Finding ways to win small pots can be pretty fun. Open a wide range from the button/CO if the blinds like to flat and fold to cbets frequently, same thing for people limping too much and folding flops.

    Also, always open 89s from first position ^^'
  • compuease wrote: »
    I used to but I don't have that ability anymore.... :(

    Well what's the point in banning someone then?
  • With small to medium pockets (22 to 88), I use a Call20 rule. If there's a raise in front of me, I'll call if both of us have 20x the raise or more in our remaining stacks. That way, when you do hit your set, you stand a good chance to double up. Avoid set mining against short stacks...not profitable at all.

    With 22, 33, 44, if I'm in EP, and first to act, I'll often fold these, depending on the players behind me. 55+ first in, I'll often raise. If I get reraised, I'll re evaluate.

    Always play with a full stack. Set the auto top up if you can. Avoid playing with a stack less than 75% of maximum.

    If you have a HUD, use it and use it all the time. Learn to rely on it when you have to make a difficult decision. Also, review your own hand histories periodically (weekly if possible). If you don't have a tracking program yet, get one.

    Learn to cbet properly. Play position. Punish limpers in position. Steal blinds whenever possible. Steal the button when you can. Destroy loose short stackers, but be very leary on tight short stackers.

    oh, and don't bluff.
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