Help with "out" calculations.

SharantyrSharantyr
in Analyze My Hand
Here's hoping this would be the right thread to post this (and yes I do love you too Kristy;)).

Obviously I just limp as the odds are there to just look at the flop. When he shoves, I have what I count as 17 outs to make my hand and his all in is not all that threatening to me, though he either a) has a hand and I know I will need to hit mine to crack his or b) its a bluff at the pot in position and I would still need to hit to beat his bluff. Is there any reason at all that this would be a fold?

PokerStars Game #38631383630: Tournament #278910966, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2010/01/23 21:53:40 ET
Table '278910966 164' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: PA_Hudson (8649 in chips)
Seat 2: patty0125 (2075 in chips)
Seat 3: Sharantyr (9296 in chips)
Seat 4: LELIS1234 (3660 in chips)
Seat 5: TIO_DODÔ (1187 in chips)
Seat 6: hybelen (7155 in chips)
Seat 7: jzm341 (6110 in chips)
Seat 8: leito_mrb (2122 in chips)
Seat 9: brad1911 (13451 in chips)
PA_Hudson: posts the ante 25
patty0125: posts the ante 25
Sharantyr: posts the ante 25
LELIS1234: posts the ante 25
TIO_DODÔ: posts the ante 25
hybelen: posts the ante 25
jzm341: posts the ante 25
leito_mrb: posts the ante 25
brad1911: posts the ante 25
TIO_DODÔ: posts small blind 125
hybelen: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sharantyr [6s 5s]
jzm341: folds
leito_mrb: calls 250
brad1911: calls 250
PA_Hudson: calls 250
patty0125: folds
Sharantyr: calls 250
LELIS1234: calls 250
TIO_DODÔ: calls 125
hybelen: checks
*** FLOP *** [7s 4h Qs]
TIO_DODÔ: checks
hybelen: checks
leito_mrb: bets 1847 and is all-in
brad1911: folds
PA_Hudson: folds

Comments

  • HobbesHobbes
    9 spades
    3 3's
    3 7's

    15 outs
    You double counted the 3s and 7s

    I prob snap shove to isolate (assuming my outs are good). He has less than a pot bet left as there is 1975 in the pot. You don't get a much better flop for your limp.
  • SharantyrSharantyr
    Hobbes wrote: »
    9 spades
    3 3's
    3 7's

    15 outs
    You double counted the 3s and 7s

    ahh yes. Ok 15 outs. Thanks Hobbes. But still, any reason it should be a fold? Just trying to understand when this would be a good idea to call and when it may not.
  • MiloMilo
    As long as you're unconcerned about the players left to act, I shove. 15 outs twice is enough to make me forget where to go to click "fold". A call might induce one of them to shove (or call), though, so you might want to get greedy.

    My $0.02 . . .
  • SharantyrSharantyr
    Milo wrote: »
    As long as you're unconcerned about the 2 players left to act, I shove. 15 outs twice is enough to make me forget where to go to click "fold". A call might induce one of them to shove (or call), though, so you might want to get greedy.

    My $0.02 . . .

    I agree a reshove would be warranted if I am infact going to atleast call, at most tables. I definately was not concerned about the 2 behind me at all because if I was playing, even just flat calling his all in they were folding guaranteed.
  • KristyKristy
    nah call ..this flop is the reason you played 5/6ss.

    I don't really see any reason to over shove..it is one of those situations where you'd just push out hands you're beating and nothing else.

    I hope it hit!
  • SharantyrSharantyr
    Kristy_Sea wrote: »
    nah call ..this flop is the reason you played 5/6ss.

    I don't really see any reason to over shove..it is one of those situations where you'd just push out hands you're beating and nothing else.

    I hope it hit!

    Yes this flop is the reason I play this hand in the first place. I just call. The reason I did this was because on the off chance one of the other 2 behind call as well and I do hit, I know I am getting paid. As stated earlier, I truely was not concerned about a call or a re-pop from either of them.

    As it turns out....
    PokerStars Game #38631383630: Tournament #278910966, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2010/01/23 21:53:40 ET
    Table '278910966 164' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: PA_Hudson (8649 in chips)
    Seat 2: patty0125 (2075 in chips)
    Seat 3: Sharantyr (9296 in chips)
    Seat 4: LELIS1234 (3660 in chips)
    Seat 5: TIO_DODÔ (1187 in chips)
    Seat 6: hybelen (7155 in chips)
    Seat 7: jzm341 (6110 in chips)
    Seat 8: leito_mrb (2122 in chips)
    Seat 9: brad1911 (13451 in chips)
    PA_Hudson: posts the ante 25
    patty0125: posts the ante 25
    Sharantyr: posts the ante 25
    LELIS1234: posts the ante 25
    TIO_DODÔ: posts the ante 25
    hybelen: posts the ante 25
    jzm341: posts the ante 25
    leito_mrb: posts the ante 25
    brad1911: posts the ante 25
    TIO_DODÔ: posts small blind 125
    hybelen: posts big blind 250
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Sharantyr [6s 5s]
    jzm341: folds
    leito_mrb: calls 250
    brad1911: calls 250
    PA_Hudson: calls 250
    patty0125: folds
    Sharantyr: calls 250
    LELIS1234: calls 250
    TIO_DODÔ: calls 125
    hybelen: checks
    *** FLOP *** [7s 4h Qs]
    TIO_DODÔ: checks
    hybelen: checks
    leito_mrb: bets 1847 and is all-in
    brad1911: folds
    PA_Hudson: folds
    Sharantyr: calls 1847
    LELIS1234: folds
    TIO_DODÔ: folds
    hybelen: folds
    *** TURN *** [7s 4h Qs] [Qc]
    *** RIVER *** [7s 4h Qs Qc] [9d]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    leito_mrb: shows [Jd Qh] (three of a kind, Queens)
    Sharantyr: shows [6s 5s] (a pair of Queens)
    Sharantyr said, "nh"
    leito_mrb collected 5669 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 5669 | Rake 0
    Board [7s 4h Qs Qc 9d]
    Seat 1: PA_Hudson folded on the Flop
    Seat 2: patty0125 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: Sharantyr showed [6s 5s] and lost with a pair of Queens
    Seat 4: LELIS1234 (button) folded on the Flop
    Seat 5: TIO_DODÔ (small blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 6: hybelen (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 7: jzm341 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: leito_mrb showed [Jd Qh] and won (5669) with three of a kind, Queens
    Seat 9: brad1911 folded on the Flop

    Try try again :)
  • MiloMilo
    Sorry, Shar. Guess we ALL suck. :-\


    I still say there is no FOLD there . . .
  • SharantyrSharantyr
    Milo wrote: »
    Sorry, Shar. Guess we ALL suck. :-\


    I still say there is no FOLD there . . .


    1st... you should not admit to a forum largley male populated that you all suck :P

    In my opinion I do not think its ever a fold either. Just thought I would ask to see if maybe there is something I am missing, as everyone here is +++ in the experience area than I am.
  • GTA PokerGTA Poker
    There was one out -- you.

    Oh, no I di'int.

    Edit: would have been funnier if you got knocked out:(
  • SharantyrSharantyr
    GTA Poker wrote: »
    There was one out -- you.

    Oh, no I di'int.

    Edit: would have been funnier if you got knocked out:(


    @}->-- Yes it would have been!

    Well I am and it was my AA vs KK! Har har har.
  • GTA PokerGTA Poker
    Sharantyr wrote: »
    @}->-- Yes it would have been!

    Well I am and it was my AA vs KK! Har har har.

    Plz see my previous post for laughterz
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