Yes, but they might also post here - like you, Wetts, moose, me, ... and probably all the other poker players at this site that put up with and/or enjoy (to varying extents) the noise that drives others away.
Yes, but they might also post here - like you, Wetts, moose, me, ... and probably all the other poker players at this site that put up with and/or enjoy (to varying extents) the noise that drives others away.
Hey I didn't make you act like a jerk in the scotch thread..you did that all on your own. Post-fact justification just makes you look like more of a d-bag.
You're also borderline retarded if you actually think this site can catch up to...and then surpass 2p2 or P5. Not only are they years ahead of us, they aren't saddled with the 'Canadian perspective' which will never allow us to be more than a niche..like the forum on 'woman poker player'
And once again..we're back to 'community'
Also, K-W's poker scene jumped off earlier and was hotter than other places..thus bringing players to the forum where we THEN met each other and became friends/acquaintances w/e and NOW talk to each other in that manner. Suggesting that this should be discouraged is just plain dumb.
It's tough to enforce anything without somebody screaming "censorship!" It would be great if posters would naturally respect that poker players want to talk about poker in poker-related sections, and to try to keep dirty jokes and pictures in off-topic sections (preferably with "NSFW" or similar in the thread title), simply out of respect for others - especially those who browse the forum during down-time at work.
And this is exactly why this site will never be very profitable (from poker advertising, etc.). As a Canadian amateur poker player looking for similar, you would think "pokerforum.ca" would be the place to go. Unfortunately, the title is a misnomer, because it has become a site for 10-20 regular posters in the K-W area. I'll stick around because I like the 1 or 2 poker-related threads that get started daily, but I don't really care for the rest of it. Sure, you don't want to alienate the 10 or so regulars who use this forum as an outlet to joke around with friends that live down the street (although I often wonder why they can't just use facebook for that stuff like everybody else), but at the same time, there are thousands of poker players across Canada that would probably post here if there was more substance and less noise. Alas...
You're also borderline retarded if you actually think this site can catch up to...and then surpass 2p2 or P5. Not only are they years ahead of us, they aren't saddled with the 'Canadian perspective' which will never allow us to be more than a niche..like the forum on 'woman poker player'
Nothing was said about catching up or surpassing....but growth would be nice.
I personally like some of the off topic stuff and partake in nonsense myself..but, that doesn't encourage growth...except to attract some riff raff which, in turn, drives others away.
I really enjoy strategy, and really wish there was more here..but I am forced to put up with 2+2 for that.
In a few years or so, this forum will still be the same core 25 people with stragglers having come and gone...a few sticking around, and a few leaving....not saying that is a bad thing, if that is what you are into...just saying it is a tough sell to advertisers.
Inano, I respect what you're saying, but I don't think I agree. There are lots of people on here from areas other than the KW area. There are lots of people on here with varying degrees of poker skills. There are lots of people on here with varying ideas of humour. That's what makes it a community. Walk down the PFC street and you see all sorts of people. Like Sesame Street! (Compuease is Oscar the Grouch! Milo, you're Grover, Philli?...You're Elmo. Don't let us down!) That's a good thing, and I think we all have a place here. Not everyone is a killer on the poker table who thinks poker 24/7. Personally I do ok playing my little $6sng at stars. I'm not a winning player at anything else yet. I try and learn. I still think I have a place on the site. Wetts, etc. are winning players. We can still live in the same neighbourhood and enjoy a bit of each others company.
I don't think there's any more hijacking of threads in the strategy section on here than on any other forum. This is the only one I'm a member of, but I check them all out fairly often. Surf the FT forum, 2P2, P5 for a day. You might agree or not. The folks on there throw in banter here and there too in the strategy sections. If we all stood around spiked at attention like a bunch of snipers talking about how to make the perfect headshot next time without out the odd hookers and blow joke, it'd be about as exciting as a glass of water. Not stirred.
Personally, when I check out the strategy threads, I try to respect the skills of the likes of Wetts, Richard, Moose and yourself and it's time to try and learn something or at least read something more serious than something in the BBV or OT section. But they kid around too.
Every forum has a section for the fun stuff and for the more serious stuff. I still say it has to do with how you engage the forum. If you want strategy, open the site to where you can choose your particular area of interest and carry on. Stay away from the rest. You're going to get some level of banter in all so expect contamination. I like to 'view the stew' and check out a bit of everything. If this place was to start going crazy on deleting anything that strayed from topic in the least... Why bother. That's not communication in community, that's some form strictly organized briefing.
Other sites have way more areas than we do too, and regs in every one of them. They know which pub they like to hang out in and they return every day. Depends on what you're looking for.
This site is a microcosm of all of them. Same thing, just smaller. Not surprisingly. Niche market. Drop the 'Canadian' out of the site name and see what happens, who knows?
Anyhoo, that's my opinion and I'm half loaded so well qualified to contribute. I'm gonna regret calling Compuease Oscar tomorrow I'm sure.
PS. Who from Sesame Street would Kristy be? Thoughts?
PPS. Just noticed Dennis' post. Possibly true. I would consider asking someone from 2P2 if they felt the same thing happens on a different scale. Maybe here people just remember the names...
In a few years or so, this forum will still be the same core 25 people with stragglers having come and gone...a few sticking around, and a few leaving....not saying that is a bad thing, if that is what you are into...just saying it is a tough sell to advertisers.
False, this forum is nothing like it was in 04 or 06..there is very little carry over. But you wouldn't know that..would you?
I agree with trying harder to make the tangents/derailments/hijacks stop in the strat sections. Can be distracting at times but not something where I think posts need to be deleted; just people needing to respect said threads/sections more.
Oh, and as for the derailment of this thread, two things:
1 - Bill, I call dibs on Barkley
2 - Shar, I'm totally using the near and far bit in a promo one day.
Hey I didn't make you act like a jerk in the scotch thread..you did that all on your own. Post-fact justification just makes you look like more of a d-bag.
Heh, I'd forgotten about that. Still bugging you? I thought I already apologized for being a d-bag. If not, my apologies to you.
You're also borderline retarded if you actually think this site can catch up to...and then surpass 2p2 or P5. Not only are they years ahead of us, they aren't saddled with the 'Canadian perspective' which will never allow us to be more than a niche..like the forum on 'woman poker player'
Nope, not retarded. This site will never, ever, come close to 2p2 or P5 in content, popularity, or revenue (sorry, scoops). I was thinking more like JackSeven - same theme as PFC but strictly Ottawa region; meanwhile it has nearly as many active posters as PFC, despite being for one city - perhaps because people stay on topic for the most part, and don't ignore or insult new members that don't belong to the existing clique. Another example is Chiptalk - which has more regular Canadian posters than PFC (I think); it's the best online community I could imagine in terms of camaraderie, generosity, and an apparent deficiency of trolls - perhaps because it's well-moderated.
Also, K-W's poker scene jumped off earlier and was hotter than other places..thus bringing players to the forum where we THEN met each other and became friends/acquaintances w/e and NOW talk to each other in that manner. Suggesting that this should be discouraged is just plain dumb.
That's exactly what I was hoping to find when I came to PFC - but with a Canada-wide contribution and readership. Sure, there are a handful of people from the Vancouver area, one near Edmonton, one or two in Saskatchewan and Manitoba... but not enough to get a game going. The vast majority are from K-W, even outnumbering those from Toronto by a large factor. Maybe it's because the only good poker players in Canada live in K-W. Maybe it's because the Royal Cup gets organized at PFC. Maybe it's because other Canadians don't feel welcome on this site unless they're part of the K-W clique, and share Kristy's sense of humour and obey her rules. I dunno.
Scoops, I don't envy your task. I sincerely hope you can make PokerForum.ca into a Canadian poker community on a national scale, and a viable web site. Unfortunately, I don't have any advice. I think it's up to the members... and reading this thread, it sounds like you're outnumbered and fighting an uphill battle.
False, this forum is nothing like it was in 04 or 06..there is very little carry over.
I agree. (checking join date...) Back then it was different. There was more poker discussion and debate. A well respected, yet pot stirring poster who still is known to check in here once in a while referred to the site as "vanilla". No one would dare say a harsh word to someone for fear of starting a flame war or being accused of an unpovoked personal attack. We have gone from that 'extreme' to this one.
I have no issue with anyone posting whatever they want to but I do find having to wade through 30-odd replies to a poker thread to find the one or two that are relevant tiresome at times.
Scoops, I don't envy your task. I sincerely hope you can make PokerForum.ca into a Canadian poker community on a national scale, and a viable web site. Unfortunately, I don't have any advice. I think it's up to the members... and reading this thread, it sounds like you're outnumbered and fighting an uphill battle.
Scoops, it is up to you. Right now I think it is a choice between what PFC is now and what you forsee as your long term vision. If you change things, each person will either have to accept them or leave. If you keep them the same, then you will have to accept the forum however it goes forward. As Milo points out, it's your house now.
Quit yer bitching - the forum has been growing and changing through the years, fill a niche. If you can't beat another site for strategy, take a different approach.... push this as a community forum, because that's what it is. Blanding it up is going to push the ones that are generating posts out.
I'm just saying, I've not decided between one of two options if we do start enforcing threads - A: I fuck off from this site or B: I blatantly post random shit just to piss everyone off. Sure, I may get banned, but that means fuck all anyways, I'll just pull a fedh8r and come back until you give up.
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no, they post on 2p2
Yes, but they might also post here - like you, Wetts, moose, me, ... and probably all the other poker players at this site that put up with and/or enjoy (to varying extents) the noise that drives others away.
Hey I didn't make you act like a jerk in the scotch thread..you did that all on your own. Post-fact justification just makes you look like more of a d-bag.
You're also borderline retarded if you actually think this site can catch up to...and then surpass 2p2 or P5. Not only are they years ahead of us, they aren't saddled with the 'Canadian perspective' which will never allow us to be more than a niche..like the forum on 'woman poker player'
And once again..we're back to 'community'
Also, K-W's poker scene jumped off earlier and was hotter than other places..thus bringing players to the forum where we THEN met each other and became friends/acquaintances w/e and NOW talk to each other in that manner. Suggesting that this should be discouraged is just plain dumb.
Nothing was said about catching up or surpassing....but growth would be nice.
I personally like some of the off topic stuff and partake in nonsense myself..but, that doesn't encourage growth...except to attract some riff raff which, in turn, drives others away.
I really enjoy strategy, and really wish there was more here..but I am forced to put up with 2+2 for that.
In a few years or so, this forum will still be the same core 25 people with stragglers having come and gone...a few sticking around, and a few leaving....not saying that is a bad thing, if that is what you are into...just saying it is a tough sell to advertisers.
I don't think there's any more hijacking of threads in the strategy section on here than on any other forum. This is the only one I'm a member of, but I check them all out fairly often. Surf the FT forum, 2P2, P5 for a day. You might agree or not. The folks on there throw in banter here and there too in the strategy sections. If we all stood around spiked at attention like a bunch of snipers talking about how to make the perfect headshot next time without out the odd hookers and blow joke, it'd be about as exciting as a glass of water. Not stirred.
Personally, when I check out the strategy threads, I try to respect the skills of the likes of Wetts, Richard, Moose and yourself and it's time to try and learn something or at least read something more serious than something in the BBV or OT section. But they kid around too.
Every forum has a section for the fun stuff and for the more serious stuff. I still say it has to do with how you engage the forum. If you want strategy, open the site to where you can choose your particular area of interest and carry on. Stay away from the rest. You're going to get some level of banter in all so expect contamination. I like to 'view the stew' and check out a bit of everything. If this place was to start going crazy on deleting anything that strayed from topic in the least... Why bother. That's not communication in community, that's some form strictly organized briefing.
Other sites have way more areas than we do too, and regs in every one of them. They know which pub they like to hang out in and they return every day. Depends on what you're looking for.
This site is a microcosm of all of them. Same thing, just smaller. Not surprisingly. Niche market. Drop the 'Canadian' out of the site name and see what happens, who knows?
Anyhoo, that's my opinion and I'm half loaded so well qualified to contribute. I'm gonna regret calling Compuease Oscar tomorrow I'm sure.
PS. Who from Sesame Street would Kristy be? Thoughts?
PPS. Just noticed Dennis' post. Possibly true. I would consider asking someone from 2P2 if they felt the same thing happens on a different scale. Maybe here people just remember the names...
False, this forum is nothing like it was in 04 or 06..there is very little carry over. But you wouldn't know that..would you?
I'm such a dork, I thoroughly enjoyed thinking about this.
Dear Lord, nobody say "Miss Piggy" ..I'll cry.
Oh, and as for the derailment of this thread, two things:
1 - Bill, I call dibs on Barkley
2 - Shar, I'm totally using the near and far bit in a promo one day.
Heh, I'd forgotten about that. Still bugging you? I thought I already apologized for being a d-bag. If not, my apologies to you.
Nope, not retarded. This site will never, ever, come close to 2p2 or P5 in content, popularity, or revenue (sorry, scoops). I was thinking more like JackSeven - same theme as PFC but strictly Ottawa region; meanwhile it has nearly as many active posters as PFC, despite being for one city - perhaps because people stay on topic for the most part, and don't ignore or insult new members that don't belong to the existing clique. Another example is Chiptalk - which has more regular Canadian posters than PFC (I think); it's the best online community I could imagine in terms of camaraderie, generosity, and an apparent deficiency of trolls - perhaps because it's well-moderated.
That's exactly what I was hoping to find when I came to PFC - but with a Canada-wide contribution and readership. Sure, there are a handful of people from the Vancouver area, one near Edmonton, one or two in Saskatchewan and Manitoba... but not enough to get a game going. The vast majority are from K-W, even outnumbering those from Toronto by a large factor. Maybe it's because the only good poker players in Canada live in K-W. Maybe it's because the Royal Cup gets organized at PFC. Maybe it's because other Canadians don't feel welcome on this site unless they're part of the K-W clique, and share Kristy's sense of humour and obey her rules. I dunno.
Scoops, I don't envy your task. I sincerely hope you can make PokerForum.ca into a Canadian poker community on a national scale, and a viable web site. Unfortunately, I don't have any advice. I think it's up to the members... and reading this thread, it sounds like you're outnumbered and fighting an uphill battle.
I agree. (checking join date...) Back then it was different. There was more poker discussion and debate. A well respected, yet pot stirring poster who still is known to check in here once in a while referred to the site as "vanilla". No one would dare say a harsh word to someone for fear of starting a flame war or being accused of an unpovoked personal attack. We have gone from that 'extreme' to this one.
I have no issue with anyone posting whatever they want to but I do find having to wade through 30-odd replies to a poker thread to find the one or two that are relevant tiresome at times.
Scoops, it is up to you. Right now I think it is a choice between what PFC is now and what you forsee as your long term vision. If you change things, each person will either have to accept them or leave. If you keep them the same, then you will have to accept the forum however it goes forward. As Milo points out, it's your house now.
A forum (such as the strat forum) where only poker related posts/replies are allowed and anything else is removed would be a start.
If 'strictly' as opposed to 'selectively' then yes strictly.
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Quit yer bitching - the forum has been growing and changing through the years, fill a niche. If you can't beat another site for strategy, take a different approach.... push this as a community forum, because that's what it is. Blanding it up is going to push the ones that are generating posts out.
I'm just saying, I've not decided between one of two options if we do start enforcing threads - A: I fuck off from this site or B: I blatantly post random shit just to piss everyone off. Sure, I may get banned, but that means fuck all anyways, I'll just pull a fedh8r and come back until you give up.
Mark
I also like people doing the exact same thing they complained about, it's great!
Also like how people make posts just to look cool.
Philli, the pot called. You're black.