Q-10-3 Flop With 77 Pocket
Hello everyone,
I am really struggling right now on how to play lesser pairs. I don't know all of the technical terms that you all know so forgive the basic-ness of my post.
What value is a 77 when the flop is Q-10-3? Say someone Bets before me on the Flop. Should I just toss the 77 or is it worthwhile to call? If I bet after they have bet and they have a better pair I waste my cash. If I call one bet on the Flop,Turn and River and someone has QQ or TT I have wasted my money.
I just don't understand how a 77 has such a high EV rating... Well, except when the pot is checked to me. If I play last it may be worth a raise... But if someone called or raised again it wouldn't be worth calling on the Turn and River. I don't know...
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I am really struggling right now on how to play lesser pairs. I don't know all of the technical terms that you all know so forgive the basic-ness of my post.
What value is a 77 when the flop is Q-10-3? Say someone Bets before me on the Flop. Should I just toss the 77 or is it worthwhile to call? If I bet after they have bet and they have a better pair I waste my cash. If I call one bet on the Flop,Turn and River and someone has QQ or TT I have wasted my money.
I just don't understand how a 77 has such a high EV rating... Well, except when the pot is checked to me. If I play last it may be worth a raise... But if someone called or raised again it wouldn't be worth calling on the Turn and River. I don't know...
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Comments
Alright so, to me this would have to come down to what knowledge you have of the player. If it is a aggressive player betting pre-flop than it is very safe to say he could be any cards. Most likely face card and a rag. Or two standard cards. So the odds of him having a 10 is a possibility. If it is a tight player, than I would assume possible AK, KK, AQ, AJ. So the possibility of having the Q is very possible, or not far from. Possibly 2 over cards and he wants to prove strong. 77 most of the time would be a easy fold in that situation, unless you have a good read, or a strong instinct that you have him beat. Try not to over-think these situations on the spot because you don't want to end up second guessing yourself and making the wrong decission.
That is my personal opinion, id probably stick around to hear what others say though as I am not the most experienced here.
I am going to keep a Spreadsheet window open from now on and track my wins and losses on all hands I call. I'll just see if my results match the experts results.
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This is completely contrary to my experience. In my experience, a person with 77 has a much better chance to win the pot against 2 people than against 10. When the flop comes Q-10-3 and there are 2 competitors who are in play, their likely-hood of having a pair of Qs or 10s is much lower than if there are 5 competitors in play at the Flop.
5 people with 10 hole cards are much more likely to have a pair of QQ or TT than 2 people with 4 hole cards. This is just common sense. Therefore why would anyone want to play 77 at the Flop against a larger table? Why would anyone even call 77 before the Flop when they know 4-7 people could pay to see the Flop?
Thoughts?
Im not the expert but here are my thoughts. when you call a bb (limp) and the are say 7 others in the pot you are getting seven to 1 on your money. the chances of winning the pot go down but the pot is bigger so in the longterm it can be worth it (maybe). as for a hand like qq i think youll find somebody will raise that hand, if they don't you can capatilize on there plays later. And your thinking backwards....you'll hit your set on the flop something like 10% of the time, you need to ask what are the chances he'll hit a higher set and it doesn't happen often. when you do hit that set with alot of people in often it will be the best hand and people will need to draw to a better one. Generally you will get a big raise or call with top pair or an over pair, and win huge implied odds. try it.
Answer c-bet:
And now to read...
It depends, what happened pf, who is the villian, etc..too read dependent as asked imo.
oh geez....i don't know the limit game ;( its somewhat similar for pocket pairs i think though ...but i don't like to have lots of people so i will do this from middle to late usually
No set...No bet.