Help, getting killed at sit n go's
Hey guys, looking for any advice for a new player.
I started off playing S n Go's and was doing reasonable well, I would place in the money 40-50% of the time.
Now I am just getting killed, I am recognizing the donk at the table AND IT'S ME!!!
I am aware of a few of my faults, but any advice or tips that any of you have (keeping in mind that I am new) would be greatly appreciated.
I started off playing S n Go's and was doing reasonable well, I would place in the money 40-50% of the time.
Now I am just getting killed, I am recognizing the donk at the table AND IT'S ME!!!
I am aware of a few of my faults, but any advice or tips that any of you have (keeping in mind that I am new) would be greatly appreciated.
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If you're placing ITM 50%, you're doing very well.
I was placing.
I'll get some hands. Please feel free to tear me apart.
Oh we will...we most CERTAINLY will BAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Seat 1: EL PADRINO 80 (2,635)
Seat 2: Dirty theSAV (1,375)
Seat 3: fbckicksass (950)
Seat 4: domi1706 (1,250)
Seat 5: Quittungsnummer (2,790)
domi1706 posts the small blind of 25
Quittungsnummer posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fbckicksass [Ac 7c]
EL PADRINO 80 folds
Dirty theSAV folds
fbckicksass calls 50
domi1706 calls 25
Quittungsnummer checks
*** FLOP *** [Kh 6h 7s]
domi1706 checks
Quittungsnummer bets 150
fbckicksass raises to 900, and is all in
domi1706 folds
Quittungsnummer has 15 seconds left to act
Quittungsnummer calls 750
fbckicksass shows [Ac 7c]
Quittungsnummer shows [Kd Td]
*** TURN *** [Kh 6h 7s] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [Kh 6h 7s Qs] [3s]
fbckicksass shows a pair of Sevens
Quittungsnummer shows a pair of Kings
Quittungsnummer wins the pot (1,950) with a pair of Kings
fbckicksass stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,950 | Rake 0
Board: [Kh 6h 7s Qs 3s]
Seat 1: EL PADRINO 80 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Dirty theSAV didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: fbckicksass (button) showed [Ac 7c] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 4: domi1706 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Quittungsnummer (big blind) showed [Kd Td] and won (1,950) with a pair of Kings
Ever feel like an idiot?
Seat 1: fbckicksass (195)
Seat 2: rodpet (1,455)
Seat 3: lollywood (2,265)
Seat 4: JMB713 (2,430)
Seat 5: freddypug (1,725)
Seat 6: sam182 (930)
lollywood posts the small blind of 15
JMB713 posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fbckicksass [9h Ts]
freddypug calls 30
sam182 folds
fbckicksass: Terrible game on my part
fbckicksass raises to 195, and is all in
rodpet folds
lollywood folds
JMB713 folds
freddypug calls 165
fbckicksass shows [9h Ts]
freddypug shows [3c 2c]
*** FLOP *** [Jc Ad 3d]
*** TURN *** [Jc Ad 3d] [Ac]
*** RIVER *** [Jc Ad 3d Ac] [7c]
fbckicksass shows a pair of Aces
freddypug shows a flush, Ace high
freddypug wins the pot (435) with a flush, Ace high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 435 | Rake 0
Board: [Jc Ad 3d Ac 7c]
Seat 1: fbckicksass showed [9h Ts] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: rodpet (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: lollywood (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: JMB713 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: freddypug showed [3c 2c] and won (435) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 6: sam182 didn't bet (folded)
I am making a point of showing my worst hands. I really don't want to hide from the fact that I am not very good yet.
Post flop, check/fold. You can't imagine being ahead here with bottom Pair. Also, any donkey with a flush or straight draw is likely calling you here as they have you covered. I would rather save my chips for another hand with more winning potential.
Don't worry about being a 'bad' player...concentrate on 'getting better'.
Seat 1: fbckicksass (945)
Seat 2: rodpet (1,485)
Seat 3: lollywood (1,455)
Seat 4: JMB713 (2,430)
Seat 5: freddypug (1,725)
Seat 6: sam182 (960)
rodpet posts the small blind of 15
lollywood posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fbckicksass [5c 6d]
JMB713 folds
freddypug folds
sam182 calls 30
fbckicksass calls 30
rodpet calls 15
lollywood raises to 120
sam182 folds
fbckicksass calls 90
rodpet folds
*** FLOP *** [Ad 8d Ks]
lollywood has 15 seconds left to act
lollywood checks
fbckicksass bets 210
lollywood calls 210
*** TURN *** [Ad 8d Ks] [7c]
lollywood checks
fbckicksass checks
*** RIVER *** [Ad 8d Ks 7c] [Th]
lollywood bets 210
fbckicksass raises to 420
lollywood raises to 630
fbckicksass folds
Uncalled bet of 210 returned to lollywood
lollywood mucks
lollywood wins the pot (1,560)
fbckicksass: wow
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,560 | Rake 0
Board: [Ad 8d Ks 7c Th]
Seat 1: fbckicksass (button) folded on the River
Seat 2: rodpet (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: lollywood (big blind) collected (1,560), mucked
Seat 4: JMB713 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: freddypug didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: sam182 folded before the Flop
Thanks man.
I'm thinking you just took a nasty hit just prior to this hand. As it is, you really have one option open and that's to push with any two cards here. If you've been playing shortstack for more than 3 hands though, you should have pushed along time ago.
Push, pray, and signup to another SnG.
Seat 1: fbckicksass (1,595)
Seat 3: AJ847 (1,635)
Seat 5: Troop21 (5,770)
AJ847 posts the small blind of 40
Troop21 posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fbckicksass [9c 9d]
fbckicksass raises to 240
AJ847 calls 200
Troop21 calls 160
*** FLOP *** [Js 5s Tc]
AJ847 checks
Troop21 bets 80
fbckicksass raises to 400
AJ847 calls 400
Troop21 folds
*** TURN *** [Js 5s Tc]
AJ847 bets 995, and is all in
fbckicksass calls 955, and is all in
AJ847 shows [Qs 8s]
fbckicksass shows [9c 9d]
Uncalled bet of 40 returned to AJ847
*** RIVER *** [Js 5s Tc Td] [3s]
AJ847 shows a flush, Queen high
fbckicksass shows two pair, Tens and Nines
AJ847 wins the pot (3,510) with a flush, Queen high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,510 | Rake 0
Board: [Js 5s Tc Td 3s]
Seat 1: fbckicksass (button) showed [9c 9d] and lost with two pair, Tens and Nines
Seat 3: AJ847 (small blind) showed [Qs 8s] and won (3,510) with a flush, Queen high
Seat 5: Troop21 (big blind) folded on the Flop
I like the preflop raise, maybe go a little harder, but that's just my take. I like the bet on the flop too, but again you have to push a lot harder than a half pot raise. Calling on the turn was really the only big mistake there. At best, you're getting in against exactly what he had, a draw. More than likely, you're fucked. I do like a lot of what you did though, just do it harder.... maybe that last comment would have more impact coming from Kristy.
Seat 1: fbckicksass (1,835)
Seat 2: toolittleO2 (1,710)
Seat 4: ima horne (1,990)
Seat 6: mysticseance (3,465)
fbckicksass posts the small blind of 25
toolittleO2 posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fbckicksass [Kd Kc]
ima horne raises to 100
mysticseance folds
fbckicksass raises to 1,835, and is all in
toolittleO2 folds
ima horne calls 1,735
fbckicksass shows [Kd Kc]
ima horne shows [Th 7h]
*** FLOP *** [Tc Ah Jh]
*** TURN *** [Tc Ah Jh] [3h]
*** RIVER *** [Tc Ah Jh 3h] [5h]
fbckicksass shows a pair of Kings
ima horne shows a flush, Ace high
ima horne wins the pot (3,720) with a flush, Ace high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3,720 | Rake 0
Board: [Tc Ah Jh 3h 5h]
Seat 1: fbckicksass (small blind) showed [Kd Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 2: toolittleO2 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: ima horne showed [Th 7h] and won (3,720) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 6: mysticseance (button) didn't bet (folded)
This was a shot through my heart. Oh man. I
I'll take a look at them, thank you.
why?
Because they suck.
:redface:
Your big problem is you overcommit yourself to hands. Why shove your entire stack with KK for 1900 to a 100 min raise? You didn't really want the guy to fold did you? If you knew he was a moron and was going to call, it was a great play but most often that is a dumb shove, most reasonable players would fold to a bet like that. Reraise to something like 250, build a pot, and control the pot on the flop. You want to get your opponent committed to the pot and call when behind, not commit yourself to the pot unnecessarily.
Thanks for the post.
I do overcommit...I take your points!!
I'm not sure why I do it, but will certainly go over it in head. Say goodbye to sleep.
Don't know if this example will help but I think it illustrates a leak that many low stakes players have when it comes to overcommiting:
Let's say you have JJ in middle position, blinds are 25/50 and you each have about 2000 chips. Someone limps in from your right and you raise it up to 200. BB and the limper calls.
Flop comes K86 rainbow.
BB checks and limper bets 400 into a 650 pot (in which you have 200 invested). Note that chipwise here, making a bad call once here with cost you as much as folding in this spot twice. At the same time, making a bad push here will cost you as much as a about 4 bad calls here, just saying.
But whatever, we're not folding here but we're definitely not raising. So we call and BB folds.
Turn is makes the board k8610.
Now, pot is 1450 and you have about and you have 1500 left in your stack. If villain makes an "I mean buisness" bet here I'll either fold since I give him a king, or shove here since I think he's an idiot. Anyway, this is probably where I fold if he bets.
Let's say villain checks it to you, you should consider checking. Villain may have a hand like, 910 drawing to 8 outs or A8 drawing to 5 outs... Or you're crushed and looking for only five cards in the deck if he has a king. Also, say you check and the river is fairly safe. Villain may decide that his pair of tens or eights is good making it much better to call down or shove river than call down or shove turn (unless he's gonna draw to 8 outs for his whole stack).
Learn to read river bets a bit maybe, small bets may mean he's scared and holding middle pair or something, if you think he does you probably shouldn't bluff him with worse, he's often stubborn and will call you down even if you raise but consider making slim valueraises.
When villain has a big hand he will often make it between 3/4's of a pot and a whole pot. This big bet is usually dangerous so watch out a bit for it.
My favorite part is when villain goes even bigger though, it's very dependent on the player but if he betson more than a pot on let's say a QQ5106 board he's doing something called polarizing his range. This means that he's either going to have everything, or nothing. He might have a queen, or he might have something like KJ, point is he's not gonna bet this big if he has a 10 so if you would call him down with a 10, you might even consider calling with worse like 88 or A6. Conversily if you don't think he's bluffing, you're folding something like Q7.
(Never be afraid to give your opponent an oppertunity to bluff, when I face 3bet happy people I often see other players adjusting by shoving huge stacks into them, that's a mistake. Just hit the call button if they 3 bet and watch their stacks magically disappear. Don't be afraid of giving your opponent a chance to bluff in other words, the call button is the remedy for that)
Hope some of this made sense, I guess the simplest way to put it is that if you overcommit, try undercommitting a little bit until you find balance in your game ^^' GL getting better.
Hand 2 - Nothing you can do you are short....
Hand 3 - 56 off suit is not a call in that position.
The key with 6max sit and goes is that you shouldn't be calling unless you have a monster, and you should be 3-betting more unless you face resistance. Keep in mind with 6 max games it is harder for people to have quality hands so if you are able to put more money in preflop with AX and even sometimes KX when you have position you can easily C-bet when it is checked to you and take down the pot.
From these posts it looks like you are getting into ego battles with people at the table and at this level people are playing there hands face up for the most part and they will bet when they have a hand...and monotone flops are easy steal opportunities when it is checked around to you.
If you have money in the pot.....it's not yours anymore. Make your decision based on the money you will have to put in to continue. if you think your hand is beat on the flop/turn/river and the other guy won't go away when you bluff....give it up. it's not money lost it is money saved.
A previous poster said that SnG should be tight early and loose later. Some people will say the exact opposite. Aggressive early when others are playing tight..... I don't have the answer to this one but just want to make sure you know there are differences in style out there.
Good luck. and good thread. thanks for starting it and keeping it going
Some really good points, cheers.
I have read here, took some advice and have placed in the last two sng's that i have played in. And was the bubble boy in two more.
I busted out of one and came in second in the other.
I owe you guys a coffee.
COFFEE?!?!??! Damnit, I said 40%!!!!
Lots of great advise here, and a lot of fun to participate. Sometimes you may need a thick skin, but its all about making you a better player. Keep up the good work, look for areas to improve on, and be sure to ask here when you run into something that makes you go ugh.
This is a game of constant change, and you'll be required to change along with it. Don't be afraid to experiment, and don't let the bad beats boil your blood too much.
%20 of my $5.20 winnings is roughly $2 so we'll make it a coffee and a doughnut.