Final Table 4-Handed in BB
Ok, would like some input on this hand.
Location: Yellowhead Casino
Game: NLHE
Buy-In: $50+5+5
Blinds: 20,000 - 40,000
Stacks:
UTG: 91,000
Button: 105,000
SB: 275,000
BB (hero): 225,000
these are estimates, but they should reflect the action well
Action:
UTG shoves, Button folds, SB smooth calls. Unfortunately my odds calculator says I can't fold here, so I call as well (7d 10c).
Now the pot has grown to 273,000, and the winner of this pot will have a decisive chip lead for the remainder of the play.
Flop comes down Ac 2c 8c
SB pushes all-in (he has me covered). What do you do?
Oh, I'll give payouts, as it may make a difference to some:
1st: $1700
2nd: $900
3rd: $650
4th: $400
Location: Yellowhead Casino
Game: NLHE
Buy-In: $50+5+5
Blinds: 20,000 - 40,000
Stacks:
UTG: 91,000
Button: 105,000
SB: 275,000
BB (hero): 225,000
these are estimates, but they should reflect the action well
Action:
UTG shoves, Button folds, SB smooth calls. Unfortunately my odds calculator says I can't fold here, so I call as well (7d 10c).
Now the pot has grown to 273,000, and the winner of this pot will have a decisive chip lead for the remainder of the play.
Flop comes down Ac 2c 8c
SB pushes all-in (he has me covered). What do you do?
Oh, I'll give payouts, as it may make a difference to some:
1st: $1700
2nd: $900
3rd: $650
4th: $400
Comments
The chipleader has 7 BB? There are 15 BB in play 4 handed?
You havent chopped yet so I assume everyone cares about the money jumps.
Forget about the odds at this point. This is a fold preflop. Open ship or fold for the rest of play. As played its a fold as well.
Welcome to live cheap buy in play. 6000 CHIPS with 15 minute blinds, equates to crap shoot in the end. Has been push fold poker generally for last 2 levels. Mistake in levels they have...goes from 7500/1500 to 10000/20000 to 20000/40000. Usually plays like a turbo until final table crapshoot.
This is what I always find hard to get away from..........5/1 odds I usually can't pass on unless I've got a good read that someone has a monster (which I did not here).
I would absolutely not define as an easy fold.....don't disagree 100% with folding, but you won't win too much passing up those odds without at least contemplating a call depending on situation IMHO.
If your sitting on 15 -20 BB and someone ships 2 BB this is Obv a call. 5/1 is much more relevant.
Agreed....but.....I've been playing the 10 BB super Turbos on FTP to practice for these final tables.
WHOOPS...sorry I thought he was playing 107c...my bad....snap fold please
Also why are we folding preflop when it is a min raise?
I look at it from the point that you are going to lose either 60K in blinds or 80K in blinds, then once on the button you can shove anytwo and get those chips back.
LOL......good, I'm not alone on my thinking here.
Does anyone call the shove postflop?
I think I was once again priced in for a call.
I don't think anyone calls that flop....and you aren't priced in at that point because you were looking to win the side pot by making the call preflop, you most likely have no shot in hell in winning the main pot unless you hit miracles on the turn and river.
The strategy here was looking at the implied odds of the SB just flatting giving you the opportunity to win a massive side pot and potentially knock another player out.
This short at a final table you are looking to be the agressor, you aren't looking to be making calls unless you have flopped a made hand, and not just simply a draw.
Although the prize money is not large, it could be a factor in the decision. If the SB is a good player, you would also hope that he is sending a message that he has a relatively strong hand and will eliminate the UTG. So, without risking any more chips with a 10 high flush draw, you are probably moving up to at least third place, and are still not crippled from a relative bb perspective (when you consider all stacks).
One thing I didn't mention was my postflop reads. All-in player was clearly disgusted by the flop. I took this as he had a small pair or two paint with no club. SB was a weak player, took him to have A rag, probably no club.
If I call and lose, I likely still get 3rd. Call and win, will be tough not to finish 1st. Fold, likely finish 2nd or 3rd (leader would have massive chip lead).
If my reads are correct, I'm 35% to win the pot, and getting 3/1 on a call. Given the crapshoot style in late play, I believe I would call next time I'm in this spot (I had made the fold post flop).
Sorry, finishing line:
Short stack: KJ diamonds
SB: A 10 Off, no club
Turn: 10
River: 3 Clubs