Can't re-raise v.s. 1 all in on Party Poker
Hi,
I just got the boot from a Party Poker tournament, and experienced an interesting delema. Anyone have any idea why this happened?
I was in middle position with QQ. This was about 10 mins into the tournament, so the blinds were 10-15. I raise to 60 (4X the bb). A shortstack with $100 in chip re-raises me all in. Everyone else folds to the big blind, who is the table chip leader. He calls the 85. When it comes back to me, I don't have the option of re-raising, only calling, or folding. I wanted to play back @ the big blind all in pre-flop, and isolate myself with the short stack, but I didn't have that option. Is this a software issue, or some sort of Party Poker no limit tournament rule?
It was a crazy hand, to say the least, I'll type it out:
Flop comes 7,7,9. Big blind bets into me 225. I raise all in. (895). He calls.
Big blind has: 9,10
All in has: 9, Q
Turn is the case 9, giving both of my opponents the full house.
Here is the Hand history. I am PokerEHcom
***** Hand History for Game 1193083037 *****
15/30 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 7272518) - Thu Nov 18 13:14:44 EST 2004
Table Multi-Table(138024) Table 4 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: jnov8227 (1835)
Seat 2: PokerEHcom (995)
Seat 3: Pointer2 (1040)
Seat 4: Purity (100)
Seat 5: haftmoonbay (1055)
Seat 6: thetinman2 (1065)
Seat 7: frau_wuttke (975)
Seat 8: yellowhat (1190)
Seat 9: busyboy67 (970)
Seat 10: tango1996 (775)
thetinman2 posts small blind (10)
frau_wuttke posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PokerEHcom [ Qc, Qs ]
yellowhat folds.
busyboy67 folds.
tango1996 folds.
jnov8227 calls (15)
PokerEHcom raises (60) to 60
Pointer2 folds.
Purity raises (100) to 100
Purity is all-In.
haftmoonbay folds.
thetinman2 folds.
frau_wuttke folds.
jnov8227 calls (85)
PokerEHcom calls (40)
Creating Main Pot with $325 with Purity
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7d, 7c, 9h ]
jnov8227 bets (225)
PokerEHcom raises (895) to 895
PokerEHcom is all-In.
jnov8227 calls (670)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9d ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 6h ]
Creating Side Pot 1 with $1790 with PokerEHcom
** Summary **
Main Pot: 325 | Side Pot 1: 1790 |
Board: [ 7d 7c 9h 9d 6h ]
jnov8227 balance 2793, bet 995, collected 1953, net +958 [ Tc 9c ] [ a full house, Nines full of sevens -- 9c,9h,9d,7d,7c ]
PokerEHcom balance 0, lost 995 [ Qc Qs ] [ two pairs, queens and nines -- Qc,Qs,9h,9d,7d ]
Pointer2 balance 1040, didn't bet (folded)
Purity balance 162, bet 100, collected 162, net +62 [ Qd 9s ] [ a full house, Nines full of sevens -- 9s,9h,9d,7d,7c ]
haftmoonbay balance 1055, didn't bet (folded)
thetinman2 balance 1055, lost 10 (folded)
frau_wuttke balance 960, lost 15 (folded)
yellowhat balance 1190, didn't bet (folded)
busyboy67 balance 970, didn't bet (folded)
tango1996 balance 775, didn't bet (folded)
I just got the boot from a Party Poker tournament, and experienced an interesting delema. Anyone have any idea why this happened?
I was in middle position with QQ. This was about 10 mins into the tournament, so the blinds were 10-15. I raise to 60 (4X the bb). A shortstack with $100 in chip re-raises me all in. Everyone else folds to the big blind, who is the table chip leader. He calls the 85. When it comes back to me, I don't have the option of re-raising, only calling, or folding. I wanted to play back @ the big blind all in pre-flop, and isolate myself with the short stack, but I didn't have that option. Is this a software issue, or some sort of Party Poker no limit tournament rule?
It was a crazy hand, to say the least, I'll type it out:
Flop comes 7,7,9. Big blind bets into me 225. I raise all in. (895). He calls.
Big blind has: 9,10
All in has: 9, Q
Turn is the case 9, giving both of my opponents the full house.
Here is the Hand history. I am PokerEHcom
***** Hand History for Game 1193083037 *****
15/30 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 7272518) - Thu Nov 18 13:14:44 EST 2004
Table Multi-Table(138024) Table 4 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: jnov8227 (1835)
Seat 2: PokerEHcom (995)
Seat 3: Pointer2 (1040)
Seat 4: Purity (100)
Seat 5: haftmoonbay (1055)
Seat 6: thetinman2 (1065)
Seat 7: frau_wuttke (975)
Seat 8: yellowhat (1190)
Seat 9: busyboy67 (970)
Seat 10: tango1996 (775)
thetinman2 posts small blind (10)
frau_wuttke posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to PokerEHcom [ Qc, Qs ]
yellowhat folds.
busyboy67 folds.
tango1996 folds.
jnov8227 calls (15)
PokerEHcom raises (60) to 60
Pointer2 folds.
Purity raises (100) to 100
Purity is all-In.
haftmoonbay folds.
thetinman2 folds.
frau_wuttke folds.
jnov8227 calls (85)
PokerEHcom calls (40)
Creating Main Pot with $325 with Purity
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7d, 7c, 9h ]
jnov8227 bets (225)
PokerEHcom raises (895) to 895
PokerEHcom is all-In.
jnov8227 calls (670)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9d ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 6h ]
Creating Side Pot 1 with $1790 with PokerEHcom
** Summary **
Main Pot: 325 | Side Pot 1: 1790 |
Board: [ 7d 7c 9h 9d 6h ]
jnov8227 balance 2793, bet 995, collected 1953, net +958 [ Tc 9c ] [ a full house, Nines full of sevens -- 9c,9h,9d,7d,7c ]
PokerEHcom balance 0, lost 995 [ Qc Qs ] [ two pairs, queens and nines -- Qc,Qs,9h,9d,7d ]
Pointer2 balance 1040, didn't bet (folded)
Purity balance 162, bet 100, collected 162, net +62 [ Qd 9s ] [ a full house, Nines full of sevens -- 9s,9h,9d,7d,7c ]
haftmoonbay balance 1055, didn't bet (folded)
thetinman2 balance 1055, lost 10 (folded)
frau_wuttke balance 960, lost 15 (folded)
yellowhat balance 1190, didn't bet (folded)
busyboy67 balance 970, didn't bet (folded)
tango1996 balance 775, didn't bet (folded)
Comments
in order for you to have the option to reraise, another person has to complete a minimum raise, which was not accomplished.
you bet out 60, so the minimum raise is 60 (making it 120 to go)
the short stack only raised 40, making it 100
therefore your only option is call or fold
PartyPoker hand histories are pretty confusing, and this is a good example of that. I can't see what the use is in putting the same number in two different spots here:
PokerEHcom raises (60) to 60
when this
PokerEHcom raises 45 to 60
would make a lot more sense.
It doesn't come up too often, but in this particular case, you could have raised to 55 instead of 60, so that the all-in player (if he did go all-in) would have re-opened the action.
ScottyZ
That is understandable. So, hypothetically, I bet 50, All in raises to 100, then I will have the option to re-raise when it comes back to me.
I have to wonder if BB knew I couldn't re-raise pre-flop, which is why he wasn't afraid of a re-raise
stp
I believe the first number () is the amount the player is putting into the pot on the action, whereas the 2nd is what the current bet sits at. In all examples on this hand they're the same..but if 2 players started raising back and forth on one round, they wouldn't be.