Playing scared players

Richard~

here's my latest 8r beat on stars.

PokerStars Game #30786184712: Tournament #180540129, $8.00+$0.80 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2009/07/23 18:01:42 CET [2009/07/23 12:01:42 ET]
Table '180540129 191' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: R-Engel81 (6635 in chips)
Seat 2: stonedparrot (18235 in chips)
Seat 3: IRichardI (7185 in chips)
Seat 4: AlexGub (17860 in chips)
Seat 5: atric (2780 in chips)
Seat 6: BrewCrewin (4705 in chips)
Seat 7: Obafemi 9 (6565 in chips)
Seat 8: tigamis (5685 in chips)
Seat 9: amigo0009 (3050 in chips)
R-Engel81: posts the ante 25
stonedparrot: posts the ante 25
IRichardI: posts the ante 25
AlexGub: posts the ante 25
atric: posts the ante 25
BrewCrewin: posts the ante 25
Obafemi 9: posts the ante 25
tigamis: posts the ante 25
amigo0009: posts the ante 25
IRichardI: posts small blind 150
AlexGub: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IRichardI [:9s :jh]
atric: folds
BrewCrewin: folds
Obafemi 9: folds
tigamis has timed out
tigamis: folds
tigamis is sitting out
tigamis has returned
amigo0009: folds
R-Engel81: folds
stonedparrot: calls 300
IRichardI: calls 150
AlexGub: checks
*** FLOP *** [:9c :8c :3s]
IRichardI: bets 600
AlexGub: calls 600
stonedparrot: calls 600
*** TURN *** [:9c :8c :3s] [:6h]
IRichardI: bets 1800
AlexGub: calls 1800
stonedparrot: calls 1800
*** RIVER *** [:9c :8c :3s :6h] [:qd]
IRichardI: bets 4460 and is all-in
AlexGub: folds
stonedparrot: calls 4460
*** SHOW DOWN ***
IRichardI: shows [:9s :jh] (a pair of Nines)
stonedparrot: shows [:ac :qc] (a pair of Queens)
stonedparrot collected 17245 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 17245 | Rake 0
Board [9c 8c 3s 6h Qd]
Seat 1: R-Engel81 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: stonedparrot (button) showed [Ac Qc] and won (17245) with a pair of Queens
Seat 3: IRichardI (small blind) showed [9s Jh] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 4: AlexGub (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 5: atric folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: BrewCrewin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Obafemi 9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: tigamis folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: amigo0009 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Ok, so I'm very positive I'm ahead by the turn against this guy, do I bet bigger or something? Is there any way I can take this down?

jdAA88

Villain is obv terrible but I'd probably check that river, with the chance that he might check down his hand as well (I've been in a tonne of these spots where villain hits the card they've been chasing but then just check it down bc they play so bad)....
If he did shove the river, I'd fold.

JohnnieH

Your turn bet is too weak.

Wetts1012

Your OOp 3 handed with a weak(ish) hand. You got called both ways with a 2/3 flop bet. I assume we are no longer in the rebuy period.

Why are you firing a second bullet on the turn?

Heads up is different but there's just not enough info to assume they're both on a draw in a multiway pot like this.

I dont like investing 33% of my stack here, because very rarely is villain folding with the nut FD and 2 overs - especially with a decent stack. This is regardless of whether you shove flop or turn.

Richard~

ok, I like the input, but what should I do? ._. As played I thought there was no way he'd ever check the queen, and if I'm calling, I might as well bet. If I end up at a river like this again I'll probably consider check calling it I guess. But I have so many chips in the middle I don't think I can't wuss out when the scarecard hits, I'm obv folding 100% to a club or an ace.

I guess the dilemma is that I can't lead turn and I can't not lead turn. My gut feeling tells me that if villain connected with the board he reraises me to get rid of FD's and he can obviously not have the A9 and a FD at the same time so I feel I'm relatively safe.

Now BB should reraise flop if he flopped big, but he might as easily be in there with a worse 9x or 8x hand, as well as a couple of eights, draws etc. I think there's more hands that I beat in his range than Q9 83 type of hands, at least at this level.

Now, if I check the turn one of three things is gonna happen:

1. They bet me off the pot
2. They force me to check shove the pot with little to no information
3. They get to peel one for free, and I just gave up value

It's a marginal spot for sure, but is it really wise to check turn against such...eccentric players during the first post-rebuy hour?

Cerberus

+1 on Wetts' comment. You've got tp on a weak board. Unless you've got information on the villain, what makes you think he wouldn't limp in there with 1010 or JJ. I think the flop and the turn bet were too weak, but hindsight being 20/20, he's not folding to any bet on that turn. You just don't have enough chips to make him run away from his nut flush draw (I'm not saying it's the right play on his part, but he's obv not going to toss it). Best thing to take from this is note it down, and the next time you play him, bet out like that with your flopped sets/straights and he'll pay you off with his A high.

Richard~

I can't know he's not limping tens or jacks or A9, hence the feeler bet on the flop which usually gets reraised right away by a scared player with top top or overpairs less than kings, especially on a board with two clubs. If anything I'm worried about a set when firing turn.

As people have said I doubt he's laying down two overs and a flush draw with the ace of clubs, I wouldn't ._. I would go to war right away on the flop before I loose my edge ^^'

I hope I get into more spots like this because right now I really believe I can profit from them. Maybe if I put my reads to the test more in these spots I'll learn the hard way why I should not fire turn, because I'm just not convinced just yet..

Edit: I guess I can't play flop profitably in this exact spot against AQcc since I'm not ahead but I might be able to get value from the turn