How's this for a Joke hand?
Here is a hand from... You guessed it... No wonder everyone I talk to says the site is rigged... This would be the 5th time I got AA in this tourney... and 5th time I lost with it... Only problem is... this time it was a matter of $42.00 for 4th place or $215 for 3rd... I was 4th...
JokerStars Game #30581775119: Tournament #178545789, $3.03+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIX (4000/8000) - 2009/07/17 21:59:50 ET
Table '178545789 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: onslaught816 (117820 in chips)
Seat 3: pokers68 (148617 in chips)
Seat 7: PokerAddictz (35010 in chips)
Seat 9: williams46 (212553 in chips)
onslaught816: posts the ante 800
pokers68: posts the ante 800
PokerAddictz: posts the ante 800
williams46: posts the ante 800
PokerAddictz: posts small blind 4000
williams46: posts big blind 8000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PokerAddictz [As Ad]
onslaught816: folds
pokers68: raises 8000 to 16000
PokerAddictz: raises 18210 to 34210 and is all-in
williams46: calls 26210
pokers68: calls 18210
*** FLOP *** [5c 9d 6d]
williams46: checks
pokers68: checks
*** TURN *** [5c 9d 6d] [7s]
williams46: checks
pokers68: bets 32000
williams46: calls 32000
*** RIVER *** [5c 9d 6d 7s] [6h]
williams46: checks
pokers68: bets 24000
williams46: raises 24000 to 48000
pokers68: calls 24000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
williams46: shows [5h 5d] (a full house, Fives full of Sixes)
pokers68: shows [8c 8h] (a straight, Five to Nine)
williams46 collected 160000 from side pot
PokerAddictz: shows [As Ad] (two pair, Aces and Sixes)
williams46 collected 105830 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 265830 Main pot 105830. Side pot 160000. | Rake 0
Board [5c 9d 6d 7s 6h]
Seat 1: onslaught816 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: pokers68 (button) showed [8c 8h] and lost with a straight, Five to Nine
Seat 7: PokerAddictz (small blind) showed [As Ad] and lost with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Seat 9: williams46 (big blind) showed [5h 5d] and won (265830) with a full house, Fives full of Sixes
JokerStars Game #30581775119: Tournament #178545789, $3.03+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIX (4000/8000) - 2009/07/17 21:59:50 ET
Table '178545789 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: onslaught816 (117820 in chips)
Seat 3: pokers68 (148617 in chips)
Seat 7: PokerAddictz (35010 in chips)
Seat 9: williams46 (212553 in chips)
onslaught816: posts the ante 800
pokers68: posts the ante 800
PokerAddictz: posts the ante 800
williams46: posts the ante 800
PokerAddictz: posts small blind 4000
williams46: posts big blind 8000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PokerAddictz [As Ad]
onslaught816: folds
pokers68: raises 8000 to 16000
PokerAddictz: raises 18210 to 34210 and is all-in
williams46: calls 26210
pokers68: calls 18210
*** FLOP *** [5c 9d 6d]
williams46: checks
pokers68: checks
*** TURN *** [5c 9d 6d] [7s]
williams46: checks
pokers68: bets 32000
williams46: calls 32000
*** RIVER *** [5c 9d 6d 7s] [6h]
williams46: checks
pokers68: bets 24000
williams46: raises 24000 to 48000
pokers68: calls 24000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
williams46: shows [5h 5d] (a full house, Fives full of Sixes)
pokers68: shows [8c 8h] (a straight, Five to Nine)
williams46 collected 160000 from side pot
PokerAddictz: shows [As Ad] (two pair, Aces and Sixes)
williams46 collected 105830 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 265830 Main pot 105830. Side pot 160000. | Rake 0
Board [5c 9d 6d 7s 6h]
Seat 1: onslaught816 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: pokers68 (button) showed [8c 8h] and lost with a straight, Five to Nine
Seat 7: PokerAddictz (small blind) showed [As Ad] and lost with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Seat 9: williams46 (big blind) showed [5h 5d] and won (265830) with a full house, Fives full of Sixes
Comments
Think about it...
4 Players... Final Table...
Low stack gets AA
2 Big stacks get PP's as well...
Lowest PP (Also biggest chip stack) gets the boat...
What I am saying is that this was going to be the last hand... NO MATTER WHAT. If I had have gotten the 55 or 88... i would have called, then folded when the raise came... But there's no folding AA no matter what...
Pokerstars made sure this was the last hand... This is what it looks like.
When has anyone seen 4 players at a live table get 3 Pocket Pairs?
Anyone? I don't think so.
I have won my share of these tournaments... and some times I had the worst hand going in... but this is a ridiculous display of Pokerstars controlling the games and pre-selecting the winners In my opinion.
I only wish I knew what the 4th guy had...
Oh... and BTW... I also explained that this was the 5th AA I had in this tourney, and 5th time I lost with it... What is the % for AA to win against any other hand? 0%? Well... in this tourney it was for me... 0% for AA to win... Wake up guys...
sigh...play some more poker
Ever heard of variance.
btw, I've seen AA vs KK vs QQ 5 handed and AA vs QQ heads up and this was live
Playing cash game on Titan last night. Got AA and some other guy bets into me for $20. He's been playing LAG. Everybody else had folded. Perfect situation. I go all in, he calls with 33. I'm thinking I've doubled up. Flop Q62, turn 5, river 4... I wish he'd taken his straight and stabbed me with it right through the heart.
Crap happens. Move on. And yes, this should be in BBV. Anyhoo, happy Sunday everyone.
Wow... you guys are a bunch of jerks...
Thanks for your input...
We're not jerks, we're just trying to put it into perspective. AA loses 18.256% of the time no matter what cards it's up against. 4 out of every 5 times you're going to win. Problem is, 1 out of every 4 of those times, you raise and no one calls so you don't remember it as a win, 2 out of 4 times people see the flop and run so you don't remember those either. So basically, you're only remembering one time out of five that you're winning and one time out of five that you're losing, so it feels like you lose with AA as much as you win.
See, perspective
no. i'm just a jerk :P
You need to play more poker...
I've seen all of the following live:
KK lose to KQ on a Q6Q flop
AA vs. KK. vs JJ vs 44 (4's folded), and K's won on the river with a K.
Set over Set over Set (K's (turned) vs. 8's (flopped) vs. 4's (flopped and mine))
I've seen straight flush lose to a 1 out straight flush draw that hit on the board (2,3,4,5,6 all hearts guy with A hearts gets rivered)
Been dealt AA, KK, QQ, JJ in 4 consecutive hands. A's lost, K's Lost, Q's Lost and J's won a small pot.
It all happens live as much as it happens on P*'s.
NICE AVATAR
Ok, I was gonna keep quiet but this bugs me every time I look at it because the math makes no sense whatsoever ^^' Maybe you pokerstoved AA against atc to come up with that strange number but that only works if you shove pre. If you raise and people run away you can't even count it, if you flop and people run away you can't count it either. The only time 18.wtv is relevant is if you ship it pre.
I guess perspective is always good though ^^'
Alright, the 18. whatever I wrote was because 1) yes, I was talking about AA vs. atc preflop and 2) I know it's somewhere between 18% and 19% but I wasn't going to bother looking it up. I was simply making a point that, if you shoved with AA every time and got called by one player every time, you'd see yourself winning 4 out of every 5 times with it. Because most players, as they improve, don't just shove with AA, it begins to "lose" more in our heads than it actually is because you only remember when it holds thru the river, not any of the times people fold to you.
Maybe you should try finding perspective, or possibly you misread and thought I said prescription, in which case you need a refill.
What you said now is completely different from before though when you tried to use the preflop odds to determine that people fold to you 2 out of 4 times postflop and even predicting that the time when you made everyone run away pre was a win at the river. (obv not what you meant but it is what you wrote)
The only time you could use the preflop percentages for anything else than shoving would be if you raise enough to get into a HU pot and then check - call every street. only if shipped and if donked will you win 4 out of 5
It took you 79 posts to figure this out? Apparently the poker table isn't the only place you are not paying attention.....
Yes o' god of all poker players who knows all. I will put this into my giant book o' richard's knowlegde... oh wait, it's empty. Oh well, it'll collect dust rather nicely.
In the mentioned tourney... I did NOT have anyone run away when I had AA. I did however in every hand raise at least 2 x the pot. If there was a large raise before me, I went all in and was called. One of the hands that is memorable was when I raised 2 x the pot... I was called by 9-4 suited. The flop was 9-9-4 and no ace was present at the river.
Luckily, I was chip leader for most of this tournament... so I could afford the chips. I too was lucky going in with the worst of it quite a few times in the beginning. There were actually very few hands in this tourney that i remember the higher hand winning.
P.S. I have now stopped playing on PokerStars...
I have gone through the same thing over and over again for the last 2 weeks now, and I am pretty sick of it. I play tight aggressive, which is the best way to play in this game, and I am losing constantly. In the last 2 weeks I have seen the guys who everyone calls "donkey" or "donk" at the tables being the big winners. I have seen the tight players get raped over and over till they leave the table. I have seen multiple people (and I mean MULTIPLE) playing the maximum of 24 tables at once. If you are playing with someone, and they never say anything... search them on Find a Player. I don't know about you guys, but I can't handle 8 tables at once. You can't make decisions, everything runs slow, etc., etc., etc. When you see that 3 of the 6 people at your table are playing 20 - 24 tables at once, and they are not being slow at all... you start to wonder if there is a human controlling these accounts.
Anyways... No more PS BS for me...