WSOP 2009 Ruling - Glen Chorny
apparently chorny is so good that he doesn't even need to play hands in order to win them :P
Exerpt from CardPlayer.com:
Along with the usual shenanigans that are on display when thousands of people crowd the floor at the Rio, the usual odd hands found there way into the mix as well, and in one case, Glen Chorny was able to win a pot without even making a call. Chorny limped in for 300 and action was folded around to a player in the cutoff who raised to 800. Both blinds folded and the dealer took the cutoff’s hand and mixed the cards together, leaving Chorny with his hand. Clearly not realizing Chorny had limped in, the dealer started moving the pot over to the cutoff. When everyone realized what she was doing, she stopped and a floor person was called over. About five minutes later, after much debating and recounting of the mistake, the floor staff ruled that Chorny won the pot since he was the only one left with a live hand after the dealer mixed the raiser’s hand in with the deck. Chorny offered to just take back his 300 and let the cutoff take his raise back and the rest of the pot, but he was awarded the pot which included the 800 raise from the cutoff.
Exerpt from CardPlayer.com:
Along with the usual shenanigans that are on display when thousands of people crowd the floor at the Rio, the usual odd hands found there way into the mix as well, and in one case, Glen Chorny was able to win a pot without even making a call. Chorny limped in for 300 and action was folded around to a player in the cutoff who raised to 800. Both blinds folded and the dealer took the cutoff’s hand and mixed the cards together, leaving Chorny with his hand. Clearly not realizing Chorny had limped in, the dealer started moving the pot over to the cutoff. When everyone realized what she was doing, she stopped and a floor person was called over. About five minutes later, after much debating and recounting of the mistake, the floor staff ruled that Chorny won the pot since he was the only one left with a live hand after the dealer mixed the raiser’s hand in with the deck. Chorny offered to just take back his 300 and let the cutoff take his raise back and the rest of the pot, but he was awarded the pot which included the 800 raise from the cutoff.
Comments
Glen Chorny was the beneficiary of perhaps the worst possible dealer miscue.
"Chorny limped in for 300 and action was folded around to a player in the cutoff who raised the 800. Both blinds folded and the dealer took the cutoff’s hand and mixed the cards together, leaving Chorny with his hand. Clearly not realizing Chorny had limped in, the dealer started moving the pot over to the cutoff. When everyone realized what she was doing, she stopped and a floor person was called over. About five minutes later, after much debating and recounting of the mistake, the floor staff ruled that Chorny wins the pot since he was the only one left with a live hand after the dealer mixed the raiser’s hand in with the deck. Chorny offered to just take back his 300 and let the cutoff take his raise back and the rest of the pot, but Chorny was awarded the pot which included the 800 raise from the cutoff. The player who had 800 chips taken by the dealer looked visibly upset. The same type of ruling would happen regardless of the bet size."
After 13 days of grinding and 9 months waiting period. The Final Table is set to play for the $8.5 Million dollars first place at the Main Event.
10 hours of play goes by and we are now heads up.
another 5 hours of play goes by and the Tournament Director calls a 1 hour dinner break.
Player A finds the dealer dealing the next level @ the Rio (or knows the rotation) strikes a deal with the dealer to muck player B's hand during an All In situation.
Player A promises a % based on the "hollywood" performance the dealer puts on to award the pot to Player A
epic? or complete fail?
This seems VERY unlikely.
yeah i also thought this was interesting when i posted it three hours prior to this post.
(http://www.pokerforum.ca/f10/chorny-ftw-19885/)
Hard to comment when you don't know exactly how it transpired.
But, I will say, if his cards weren't capped and he didn't notice someone had limped in, he deserves to lose his raise IMHO.
The reason why most floor staff go by the book is that there needs to be as much consitency as possible. I would rather have floor staff going by what is written then a fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants decision that could be based on any number of factors.
I agree, but some things just aren't in the book (at least one I've written...er. read).
IE: if the raising player had capped his cards...dealer thinks everyone else has folded, starts pushing the pot (ie. indacating to the raising player that he is the winner) raising player releases his hand (dealer then mucks), and then it is brought up about limping player.
This again, by the book, ships pot to he limping player..........but being flexible in a decision here is the best option IMHO.
I limped into a pot at a charity event and so did a bunch of others. My 89 hit the flop hard but the guy to my right had folded and was doing clean up for the dealer...pushing chips to the dealer etc......
Then I notice my cards missing......They were placed right in front of me. No marker on top. But no where near the muck or center of the table.
needless to say I was pissed but I got my money back out of the pot. If I hadn't of hit it so hard I might have tried to get my cards back but it would have seemed like fishing if I had pulled a full house out of the muck.
Went a little too nuts on the guy for hauling my cards off but it didn't seem like it was intentional.