Pretty Bizarre Limit Hand for Analysis
This was played on Pacific Poker and this hand is pretty indicative of the play at that site. Don't worry, this is hardly a bad beat story. As a primarily NL player I have to admit that I am not sure I obtain the most for my money when playing limit and this may be the case.
Sorry, I can't figure out how to get a printed history from pacific (though you can watch the hands again), so you will have to make do with me explaining the hand.
This was the first hand I played at the 2/4 table so I have zero info on any players. I posted a BB just before the button. Full table of 10 players.
Pre flop - everyone calls except for the player 2 before me and the button (player after me). The player right before me had posted as well, so including me there are 3 people who checked pre flop. 8 people see the flop (about average for that site
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I am dealt 3d 8h
flop is 3s 3h 6h
SB+BB check. UTG bets, next person calls and then person after that raises.
Person after that calls the 2 bets next person folds and then it is to me.
I have to admit I was pretty baffled. I just called and then the SB called the 2 bets as well, BB folded and two others called the raise.
So 6 people to see the turn which was the ace of diamonds. I was happy to see that card. I figured it might keep someone with an ace in and if someone had A3 I was beat anyways.
Betting on the turn went the following:
SB and UTG checks and next person checks. The person who raised on the flop bets. Next person calls and then it is to me.
This time I raised.
SB calls the 2 bets. Next 2 people fold. The initial better folds as well, but then the following person reraises.
Again I was baffled and I just called.
River was the 9h which I assumed killed me.
SB ckecks, next player bets. I just called and sb called.
The first person showed 2 black kings and sb mucked after I showed my trips (no idea what he had) and I won an $89 pot.
I am hardly complaining about the results of this hand, but I am wondering if I could have won some more in there somewhere. The way that person played Ks Kc completely baffles me at pretty much every point of that hand so I cannot see how I can even imagine that is the hand he has (which is why I was a bit cautious). The SB calling every raise the whole way also concerned me. Even if the river was not a heart I am not sure I would have raised (well, I would have if it was a 3 and probably an 8).
Many people here play limit a lot more then I do so any advise/feedback is greatly appreciated. Thank you
Sorry, I can't figure out how to get a printed history from pacific (though you can watch the hands again), so you will have to make do with me explaining the hand.
This was the first hand I played at the 2/4 table so I have zero info on any players. I posted a BB just before the button. Full table of 10 players.
Pre flop - everyone calls except for the player 2 before me and the button (player after me). The player right before me had posted as well, so including me there are 3 people who checked pre flop. 8 people see the flop (about average for that site
)I am dealt 3d 8h
flop is 3s 3h 6h
SB+BB check. UTG bets, next person calls and then person after that raises.
Person after that calls the 2 bets next person folds and then it is to me.
I have to admit I was pretty baffled. I just called and then the SB called the 2 bets as well, BB folded and two others called the raise.
So 6 people to see the turn which was the ace of diamonds. I was happy to see that card. I figured it might keep someone with an ace in and if someone had A3 I was beat anyways.
Betting on the turn went the following:
SB and UTG checks and next person checks. The person who raised on the flop bets. Next person calls and then it is to me.
This time I raised.
SB calls the 2 bets. Next 2 people fold. The initial better folds as well, but then the following person reraises.
Again I was baffled and I just called.
River was the 9h which I assumed killed me.
SB ckecks, next player bets. I just called and sb called.
The first person showed 2 black kings and sb mucked after I showed my trips (no idea what he had) and I won an $89 pot.
I am hardly complaining about the results of this hand, but I am wondering if I could have won some more in there somewhere. The way that person played Ks Kc completely baffles me at pretty much every point of that hand so I cannot see how I can even imagine that is the hand he has (which is why I was a bit cautious). The SB calling every raise the whole way also concerned me. Even if the river was not a heart I am not sure I would have raised (well, I would have if it was a 3 and probably an 8).
Many people here play limit a lot more then I do so any advise/feedback is greatly appreciated. Thank you
Comments
In low-limit, people dream up all kinds of "fancy" ways to play hands like KK or AA. I'm not really surprised by these sort of antics any more.
ScottyZ
Even worse, you get the 'Ace-any' guys so you have to be very careful when you see 4 of a suit... Unless of course, if you can beat a flush! Some of those guys will stay in until the river, hoping to see an Ace. If you were holding top pair up to that point and an Ace comes on the river, look out!
While they are still drawing, I say make them pay! Raise and re-raise with sets, 2 pr and sometimes even top pair if it feels right.
The guy with KK totally played it incorrectly in my view. Probably watched too much NL on TV and thought he'd trap everyone. Trouble is, against 7 opponents, KK will LOSE almost 70% of the time. If he'd brought it in for a raise, chances are most of those callers would be out of the hand.
If he had raised pre-flop and there was 1 bet to you, I'm guessing you would have stayed with your 3-3 anyway. So the result would have been the same but you would have won a smaller pot. Chances are good you could have re-raised confidently at the river, though.
Congrats on the monster pot!
It was hard for me to compare this to a no limit hand but I remembered one in the 10 rebuy that in a way was similar.
I had 7 9 off in the BB and 6 people called to me. Flop was 77 10
SB and I checked, next bet 80 1 fold 3 call to me I raise to 200 then initial better goes all in and 2 more call his all in before it gets back to meto me. To say I was a bit surprised was an understatement. I shoved (second person had extra chips not in the pot) and a 9 on river let my hand beat the 75 off sb hand as well as the A 10 and AK hands that also went all in post flop.
That's in a way what frustrated me on this limit hand. In NL I would have had all of my chips in by the turn, yet in limit I kind of backed away in the face of so many people raising and being active in the pot, only raising once on the turn, and I am not sure why. WHile I was obviously quite content with the pot I was also a bit frustrated that I did not potentially maximize my earnings.