what move?
Full Tilt Poker Game #12974296427: $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) (96348764), Table 1 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:49:25 ET - 2009/06/22
Seat 1: stajo24 (1,340)
Seat 3: jcashx36x (1,580)
Seat 4: TestJunkie (1,540)
Seat 5: KKRYSTIANE (1,770)
Seat 6: girinim (2,435)
Seat 7: Gordon J Gekko (1,390)
Seat 8: puckhead23 (1,210)
Seat 9: Bcboy72 (2,235)
KKRYSTIANE posts the small blind of 60
girinim posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bcboy72 [Js Jh]
Table full of nits, I am biggest aggressor with vpip 39/pfr 18/ steal 14
I would like to just 3xbb, but dammit..they are jacks..I limp..same problem..no one is aggressive to reraise with Ax...just gonna get some callers and overs on the flop....I shove..only gonna get called by monsters..
whats the play?
Seat 1: stajo24 (1,340)
Seat 3: jcashx36x (1,580)
Seat 4: TestJunkie (1,540)
Seat 5: KKRYSTIANE (1,770)
Seat 6: girinim (2,435)
Seat 7: Gordon J Gekko (1,390)
Seat 8: puckhead23 (1,210)
Seat 9: Bcboy72 (2,235)
KKRYSTIANE posts the small blind of 60
girinim posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bcboy72 [Js Jh]
Table full of nits, I am biggest aggressor with vpip 39/pfr 18/ steal 14
I would like to just 3xbb, but dammit..they are jacks..I limp..same problem..no one is aggressive to reraise with Ax...just gonna get some callers and overs on the flop....I shove..only gonna get called by monsters..
whats the play?
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Id shut it down after if i missed the set/there are overcards
Raising hides your hand since you've been doing it so much, and someone may finally decide to play sheriff. WTF is this talk about "Normally I would limp"? Did you learn poker from PokerJah?
Mark
PokerJah PokerJah
Sounds like the Phil Gordon school of poker. Anything <QQ you limp in and hope you hit your set and someone stacks themself for you.
yeah..I am normally pretty tight...(just happened to be LAG for this particular table)..and I would limp this to set mine in most circumstances...
I did shove with it....in standard fashion for what I had been playing..hoping for a "sheriff" with a smaller pair...but no callers...but, I was wondering if that was the right move here...
It works more times than not. When I was coaching my brother the other night in one of these he turned the nut flush and shoved and got two callers, one with a Q high flush and the other with 1 pair.
Online shoves everyone thinks you are bluffing...its hilarious...
Limping is terrible. Look at the stack sizes. Look at your position!
1. You don't have implied odds to set mine. Stack sizes are 10-12 big blinds. You want 20-30 big blind stack sizes to set mine to get implied odds.
2. You are a LAG, If you're playing a LAG style you must push with your big hands for balance if you are pushing with your suited connectors and small pairs.
Limping here is a colossal blunder that I see all the time.
Stack sizes at the table are far too level for shove calls from 22-77, or ax (where x<10)
Just open the pot and play as normal.
Edit: Unless you have a suuper aggro image. But 9/10 nobody is paying attention.
Agreed
Also agreed, but also find at this 10-11 (more the 11 turbo) buck level...a 3x bb raise gets called very often by Ax x=9+ or KQ, KJ, QJ...so, this is why I was/am in debate...
Maybe a min raise to look like a monster and not committing too many chips?
Or..just shove and hope for a call by something weak? Position isn't terrible here..not great..but not terrible.
Just 3x raise is fine. Shoving is overkill on a table full of nits. Nits still call a 3x raise with small pps.
This bolded part is precisely why you should be raising 3xBB (hell, a little more if they'll call it), with JJ.
Tell me you understand why?!?
Mark
I find your question peculiar, it's like you're sitting with jacks and are thinkinh, "How can I make these win?". You know how to play em, man. They're gonna get beat now and then but that can't deter you from making the move you know is right. Make your standard PFR, whatever that is and follow thru. There's always the possibility of running into TT, 99, or the other side QQ+ but that comes with the territory. Limp, PFR, w/e... just don't get scared, you're most likely the favorite.
exactly
You do your standard 3BB-raise with your jacks and get one caller from late position (button or one of the blinds), let's say for the sake of the argument that it's the button here, so we're OOP. Flop comes with one overcard. What to do? Villain is a "normal" player, meaning his nor extremely LAG, neither very nitty. And his nor a fish, neither an expert player with +10% ROI over thousands of games
Do we c-bet, and what to do if villain raises?
Do we check, and what to do if villain makes a standard bet of say 3/4 of the pot?
Are this decisions dependant on whether the overcard was a queen, a king or an ace?