Full tilt no longer on OPR

DennisGDennisG
in Online Poker
No longer can we track stats on OPR for Full tilt poker...lame..I liked tracking my games on there..
Full Tilt Poker on OPR

June 2009


Full Tilt Poker (FTP) has demanded us to remove all FTP tournaments and player statistics from Official Poker Rankings (OPR) because they suddenly decided that OPR "gives players an unfair advantage" and works "very similar to how a shared hand history database works".

We don't believe OPR gives players an unfair advantage. OPR is a free site available to all players and in our opinion any player should be allowed to use OPR to follow their progress, for stacking, collusion detection, community discussions, competitions and to see how they are doing in comparison to other poker players.

All the data we collect is publicly viewable at the end of each tournament in the tournament lobby. We do not collect hand histories nor do we provide access to any hand history information. OPR has nothing to do with a shared hand history database.

We have proposed Full Tilt Poker different solutions to keep FTP tournaments on OPR and we hope they will reverse their decision and help us clear this misunderstanding soon. But for now we have decided to follow their demands to remove all FTP tournaments on OPR.

Your opinion matters.
We strongly encourage you to forward your opinion about this to support@fulltiltpoker.com

Comments

  • trigstrigs
    yeah i just found this out today when i went to check up a player. how exactly is this site worse than poker tracker or holdem manager?
  • Wetts1012Wetts1012
    Retarded.

    Most people use it as a tool to track themselves.
  • BlondeFishBlondeFish
    Now I have an excuse to never start playing at Full Tilt. :p What I don't understand is why OPR is so submissive as to remove ALL existing FTP data. Will TableRatings, Sharkscope and PokerDB be as spineless as OPR?

    It was because of these ratings sites that cheating scum like Russell Hamilton were found out. Is FTP preparing to unleash cheating super-users?
    follow their demands to remove all FTP tournaments on OPR.
  • jdAA88jdAA88
    Wetts1012 wrote: »
    Retarded.

    Most people use it as a tool to track themselves.

    THIS

    I just shipped a decent score today and wanted to see if I'm still down (lol) and now I can't!
  • DennisGDennisG
    jdAA88 wrote: »
    THIS

    I just shipped a decent score today and wanted to see if I'm still down (lol) and now I can't!


    I actually won a couple today and wanted to see if I am up again...lol I sent Tilt an email requesting they reconsider letting OPR publish public statistics in the manner they do...so I don't have to find a new site.

    Though..with some things coming up, I am likely switching sites soon regardless..will keep ya posted for rake free tournaments online ;)
  • NoVeLTeKNoVeLTeK
    the reason why its considered an unfair advantage is because people can easily look up the stats of the players their at a table with...so if you know the guy is a winner versus a big loser it gives you an edge cuz he is probably a donk...

    especially for cash games things like TR is so useful
  • BiiLLYBiiLLY
    NoVeLTeK wrote: »
    the reason why its considered an unfair advantage is because people can easily look up the stats of the players their at a table with...so if you know the guy is a winner versus a big loser it gives you an edge cuz he is probably a donk...

    especially for cash games things like TR is so useful

    But like mentioned before, what about PT3 and HEM which give more of an advantage imo.
  • jdAA88jdAA88
    NoVeLTeK wrote: »
    the reason why its considered an unfair advantage is because people can easily look up the stats of the players their at a table with...so if you know the guy is a winner versus a big loser it gives you an edge cuz he is probably a donk...

    especially for cash games things like TR is so useful

    But everyone can use it bc it's free!
  • DennisGDennisG
    Reply from Tilt...
    Thank you for contacting Full Tilt Poker Support.

    We are currently working with all of our affiliates to ensure their business practices are consistent with our goal of providing the best online poker experience. In particular, we are ensuring they adhere to our very high standards of game integrity and do not support the use of prohibited or restricted software.

    Official Poker Rankings provides a great service to its customers, and as poker players ourselves, we fully appreciate the value of the information they provide. Unfortunately, some of the information currently available may allow players to obtain an unfair advantage at the tables.

    We are currently in communication with Official Poker Rankings to establish a set of guidelines that is in the mutual interest of all parties, including our valued players. We hope to have the matter resolved as soon as possible and appreciate your patience in the meantime.

    If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact us. We're always here to help.

    Regards,

    Doug
    Poker Specialist
    Full Tilt Poker Support


    I guess I don't understand how any of it could be "unfair" as the information is available to anyone that chooses to use it.
  • trigstrigs
    Ihaveyourname wrote: »
    I guess I don't understand how any of it could be "unfair" as the information is available to anyone that chooses to use it.

    exactly. if it's available to everyone, where does the unfairness come in?
  • BlondeFishBlondeFish
    Does anybody know which of the information FTP considers to be an unfair advantage?
    some of the information currently available may allow players to obtain an unfair advantage at the tables.
    We are currently in communication with Official Poker Rankings to establish a set of guidelines that is in the mutual interest of all parties, including our valued players.
  • DennisGDennisG
    If they deem some information "unfair" it shouldn't be available to the public for OPR to post in the first place. Seems to me, this is something that is wrong with Full Tilt, not OPR.....if the said info really is "unfair".
  • schabsschabs
    NoVeLTeK wrote: »
    the reason why its considered an unfair advantage is because people can easily look up the stats of the players their at a table with...so if you know the guy is a winner versus a big loser it gives you an edge cuz he is probably a donk...

    especially for cash games things like TR is so useful

    Yeah but do you really need some website that the guy at your table is a donkey? Watch him play.
  • T8urmoneyT8urmoney
    Ihaveyourname wrote: »
    Reply from Tilt...




    I guess I don't understand how any of it could be "unfair" as the information is available to anyone that chooses to use it.


    I got the same generic response......
  • philliiveyphilliivey
    +1.

    after about 5 hands most of the time you should know what your up against

    schabs wrote: »
    Yeah but do you really need some website that the guy at your table is a donkey? Watch him play.
  • trigstrigs
    philliivey wrote: »
    +1.

    after about 5 hands most of the time you should know what your up against

    i don't think anyone is arguing that it's not possible to spot the donk at the table. in fact, your argument seems to suggest that these stats don't even matter anyway since it's so easy to spot the donk after 5 hands, so then why is full tilt caring about blocking them?

    personally, i will use every advantage i have at beating my opponents at the table. if i can easily look up their stats, why wouldn't i take advantage of that? and just to play devil's advocate a bit more, i've looked up players' stats and found them to be winning players yet i've still labeled them as donks and made a decent chunk of change from their crazy play.
  • liquidfireliquidfire
    When I go to fallsview casino, I try to look up my opponent sitting across from me on OPR. It was a epic failure.

    Now it fails on fulltilt too :(

    FML.
  • schabsschabs
    trigs wrote: »
    i don't think anyone is arguing that it's not possible to spot the donk at the table. in fact, your argument seems to suggest that these stats don't even matter anyway since it's so easy to spot the donk after 5 hands, so then why is full tilt caring about blocking them?

    personally, i will use every advantage i have at beating my opponents at the table. if i can easily look up their stats, why wouldn't i take advantage of that? and just to play devil's advocate a bit more, i've looked up players' stats and found them to be winning players yet i've still labeled them as donks and made a decent chunk of change from their crazy play.

    Okay so now its winning donkeys as opposed to losing donkeys? lol.... All I'm saying is OPR doesnt have nearly enough information for a player to look up another player and figure out how he plays. You merely see what limits and placings they've acheived.

    I see lots of morons online using the "haha your -150% ROI you suck line" just to knock other players. IMO I don't see it being a big deal as people make it that Full Tilt stopped recording all these, unless your looking at personal stats for your own glory.
  • Bolton4Bolton4
    after about 5 hands most of the time you should know what your up against~~~~~~
  • DennisGDennisG
    I have found it (OPR) useful a lot. I look at a player and A: see what their stats are for the last 120 days..that gives me an indication of solid vs donk play...also I can see what limits they mostly play for sng's. B: I am in a 50+5 game, and see buddy has just lost his last 10 games at 5 and 6 bucks..doesn't usually play this high..you know he is nervous, you know he is looking for a big payday...and won't play optimal. or C: I am playing a 20+2 and look at buddy and see he has played 20 of these games already today...also gives us an indication that he is likely playing bot style..

    Any info is good info. That being said..this info is readily available to ANYONE..so..how can it be unfair?
    after about 5 hands most of the time you should know what your up against~~~~~~

    Never had a good run of cards to start a game? Then tighten up?

    Best indication I (personally) can get is after the first level for the most part..
  • trigstrigs
    Ihaveyourname wrote: »
    I have found it (OPR) useful a lot. I look at a player and A: see what their stats are for the last 120 days..that gives me an indication of solid vs donk play...also I can see what limits they mostly play for sng's. B: I am in a 50+5 game, and see buddy has just lost his last 10 games at 5 and 6 bucks..doesn't usually play this high..you know he is nervous, you know he is looking for a big payday...and won't play optimal. or C: I am playing a 20+2 and look at buddy and see he has played 20 of these games already today...also gives us an indication that he is likely playing bot style..

    these are the exact reasons i use it as well. i don't understand why someone wouldn't just take the advantage of this info. i guess i'm not a good enough player to simply ignore free information on my opponents. i'm bad enough that i'll take anything i can get.
  • philliiveyphilliivey
    this +1 mirrion, how do you know that the guy has not just run really bad?
    schabs wrote: »
    Okay so now its winning donkeys as opposed to losing donkeys? lol.... All I'm saying is OPR doesnt have nearly enough information for a player to look up another player and figure out how he plays. You merely see what limits and placings they've acheived.

    I see lots of morons online using the "haha your -150% ROI you suck line" just to knock other players. IMO I don't see it being a big deal as people make it that Full Tilt stopped recording all these, unless your looking at personal stats for your own glory.
  • philliiveyphilliivey
    is there a echo in here, LOL:)

    give or take like ihaveyourname says, it depends what game and limits your playing as well


    Bolton4 wrote: »
    after about 5 hands most of the time you should know what your up against~~~~~~
  • trigstrigs
    i don't think anyone is arguing that you should simply look at OPR stats and make a final decision on how someone plays in general. obviously there are many variables. however, i still don't see why you wouldn't want any extra information on your opponents if you can get it.
  • Wetts1012Wetts1012
    Yay.

    FullTilt back on OPR. Agreement made to not include SNG - meh.

    No more manual MTT tracking.
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