Theory question
Last night in a live 1/2 game there were discussions from the "pros" at the table about different topics relating to poker hands and betting. Here is a question that I posed to one of the pros after this hand.
3 way action
Board is K79 6 8 rainbow.
There is betting on all three streets and on the river 2 players are heads up with effective stacks of 200. Now player 1 who is in MP checks, then player 2 bets into the pot who is in late position.
Player one calls and flips over a 10 for a straight. Now I asked him this question "why did you check call that river"
His response "well J10 could be beating me there.."
So my question is if you are playing a hand and you hit the draw/card that you need to give you the best possible holding for your two cards, so you always be afraid (i guess in this instance of the nuts???)
I mean what would be the point of calling all the way down to the river with a naked 10 just to make your straight and then check call being afraid of a higher straight?? I mean is my logic flawed here?
He then went on to say "If I check raise and then get re-raised all in I have to fold because I assume he has J10..."
But then again based on the action on the flop/turn and river nothing suggests J10 here. What are people's thoughts on this kind of analysis....
Basically the question is "If you are playing a hand and you are looking to hit a certain card to complete your hand and you get it, is there any reason unless action totally dictates you are beat, not to maximize the value of your hand?"
I just want see if my logic is skewed here....
3 way action
Board is K79 6 8 rainbow.
There is betting on all three streets and on the river 2 players are heads up with effective stacks of 200. Now player 1 who is in MP checks, then player 2 bets into the pot who is in late position.
Player one calls and flips over a 10 for a straight. Now I asked him this question "why did you check call that river"
His response "well J10 could be beating me there.."
So my question is if you are playing a hand and you hit the draw/card that you need to give you the best possible holding for your two cards, so you always be afraid (i guess in this instance of the nuts???)
I mean what would be the point of calling all the way down to the river with a naked 10 just to make your straight and then check call being afraid of a higher straight?? I mean is my logic flawed here?
He then went on to say "If I check raise and then get re-raised all in I have to fold because I assume he has J10..."
But then again based on the action on the flop/turn and river nothing suggests J10 here. What are people's thoughts on this kind of analysis....
Basically the question is "If you are playing a hand and you are looking to hit a certain card to complete your hand and you get it, is there any reason unless action totally dictates you are beat, not to maximize the value of your hand?"
I just want see if my logic is skewed here....
Comments
The other night I had a gut shot with a pair of sevens appearing on the flop. I had implied odds to call a small raise on the flop but because the board was already paired, I folded because chasing my straight was fruitless. Of course my card came on the river giving me the straight, but with so much action in the hand, a boat was very possible.
A good example is opening AQ OOP, and calling a raise.
Then you see a flop like Q25 and get smashed with action.
You hit exactly the flop you are looking for and end up folding.
Your logic is not flawed. If you're planning on folding to action if you hit the board you want to hit, ur doin it wrong.
That was basically the reason why I was posing the question to him. All streets were bet with no real resistance, the player in this case turns a gutshot straight draw on the turn and then hits the river. Proceeds to check and gets the bet he wants and then just calls figuring the "nuts" may be out there but the betting doesn't suggest that at all from the previous streets.
It was also 1/2 so I wasn't surprised by this play
I think it was a 3 or a 4.....
Welcome to live 1/2NL...
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Multiway pots with A high winning, j5, all ins for 500.00 with 47off, J10 suited....best game mid town right now for 1/2NL
full table most of the night? I like the location but I find they hype the game too much for the amount of players that actually show up. I will probably give it another go during May.
I only go on tuesdays at their new location but its a full table by 10 and a waiting list for most of the night. When I left there this tuesday after I shipped off my last 75 bucks with AK vs K7 on an K54 board (right away no delay turn 7) there were 3 people waiting for a seat.
I haven't been any other night as I am usually busy or there are other games I like to goto. BIG EVIL himself is a great host, always good for a few laughs with the stories.
I think it would all depend on definition of "pro". If pro is someone making their living from the game then I am sure there could be tons of people playing 1/2. Making $100 at 1/2 per day should be relatively simple and is a good amount to live off of.
If this site made $100 a day it would be like a dream come true. This site barely covers my drinking tabs for the month, and I don't go out that much. Fortunately its not my only source of income.