Kicker

Kev555Kev555
in General Poker Chat
I just finished a game and a hand confused us.

If two players have the same hand and the same kicker, does the 2nd card count as another kicker or it's split pot?

Is this the official rule? Where can I find the official rules?

Comments

  • pokrgodpokrgod
    If both players have the same hand and same kicker why would any other card make a difference? The "second kicker" would also be the same for both hands correct?
  • compueasecompuease Admin
    Give us the hole cards and board and we'll explain...
  • Richard~Richard~
    hand AKQJ9 off beats AKQJ8 off, yes
  • pokrgodpokrgod
    Or are you asking this:
    You hold A7
    Oponent holds A3
    board 10 J Q K 4

    Both make A high straight.
    If so, split pot. The best 5 card hand wins. If your kickers do not play then it's still split. His best possible 5 card hand is the same as your best possible 5 card hand.

    I've seen people at bar or home games get confused about this. Hope this helps.
  • DrTyoreDrTyore
    I think he's asking if the kickers are the same, do they go to the next card in order...

    Quick answer : Yes

    Depending on the type of game, but I'll assume Hold 'em, your hand isn't just "two pair / top pair / three of a kind" etc etc, but rather your best 5 card hand, so TECHNICALLY is you have AA on a board of KJ482, your actual hand is "AAKJ8".

    So, if the board was something like AJ432, and you have A10 and someone else has A8, then your hand is a pair of aces, jack kicker (for both of you), but your actual hand is A-J-10-4-3, where his is A-J-8-4-3, making your hand better.

    Mark
  • pokrgodpokrgod
    Well said Mark. Common theme here and the rule you need to remember here Kev is Best Possible 5 card hand. If the 2 cards in a given hand can make a better 5 card hand than another, it will win the pot.
  • Kev555Kev555
    DrTyore wrote: »
    I think he's asking if the kickers are the same, do they go to the next card in order...

    Quick answer : Yes

    Depending on the type of game, but I'll assume Hold 'em, your hand isn't just "two pair / top pair / three of a kind" etc etc, but rather your best 5 card hand, so TECHNICALLY is you have AA on a board of KJ482, your actual hand is "AAKJ8".

    So, if the board was something like AJ432, and you have A10 and someone else has A8, then your hand is a pair of aces, jack kicker (for both of you), but your actual hand is A-J-10-4-3, where his is A-J-8-4-3, making your hand better.

    Mark

    Thanks for clearing that up.

    Just to be sure, correct me if I'm wrong.

    AAJJ4
    P1: K7
    P2: K6

    AAJJ8
    P1: K7
    P2: K6

    AKQ104
    P1: J8
    P2: J7

    All situations are split pots.

    AA238
    P1: 10,4
    P2: 10,5

    In this situation P2 wins.

    AA679
    P1: 10,4
    P2: 10,5

    Split pot.
  • compueasecompuease Admin
    Correct.
  • DrTyoreDrTyore
    Well done...

    Here's another one.. who wins this one?


    Board: AAJJ4

    Player one has K10
    Player two had K4

    Mark
  • pokrgodpokrgod
    DrTyore wrote: »
    Well done...

    Here's another one.. who wins this one?


    Board: AAJJ4

    Player one has K10
    Player two had K4

    Mark

    The first player to bet ???
  • DasCoupeDasCoupe
    DrTyore wrote: »
    Well done...

    Here's another one.. who wins this one?


    Board: AAJJ4

    Player one has K10
    Player two had K4

    Mark

    Split pot...
  • Kev555Kev555
    DrTyore wrote: »
    Well done...

    Here's another one.. who wins this one?


    Board: AAJJ4

    Player one has K10
    Player two had K4

    Mark

    Yeah, I think that's what happened yesterday.

    It would be split pot.


    What about this one? Can the second card be considered another kicker?

    AAA54
    P1: K10
    P2: K7
  • zunni74zunni74
    Kev555 wrote: »
    Yeah, I think that's what happened yesterday.

    It would be split pot.


    What about this one? Can the second card be considered another kicker?

    AAA54
    P1: K10
    P2: K7

    Yes, it's always the best 5 hard hand....

    AAAKT is better than AAAK7 (since both players hole cards are higher than the other cards on board)

    Now if player 2 had K2 he would be playing AAAK5 since the 5 on board is higher than the 2 in the players hand.

    In Hold'em you can use 0, 1, or 2 of your hole cards. So in this last example, player 1 is using both his hole cards while P2 is using 1.
  • Kev555Kev555
    Okay, thanks for the help.
  • compueasecompuease Admin
    pokrgod wrote: »
    The first player to bet ???

    I raise! :) Finally we have a thread with good productive discussion...... Kinda refreshing..
  • wildbill7145wildbill7145
    Yup, it's been a while...
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