Bad Beat news from the Great Blue Heron Casino

The Great Blue Heron Charity Casino is pleased to announce that the introduction of the Bad Beat Jackpot to our Holdem games has been a huge success. Since its introduction on January 26, 2009, the Bad Beat Jackpot has been awarded four times.

The Bad Beat Jackpot is just like regular Texas Holdem Poker but with a slight twist. If a player loses a Texas Holdem hand playing a Full House consisting of 3 Aces and 2 Tens or better while seated at a one of the Texas Holdem tables, they’ll win a large piece of the Bad Beat Jackpot. The winner of the hand and the participants on the poker table also share in the jackpot. To help the jackpot build, $1.00 is collected from all Texas Holdem game that meet the minimum pot size.

The first time the Bad Beat Jackpot was awarded was on Wednesday February 18, 2009. The total jackpot was $87,114, after just 24 days of play. The winner received fifty percent of the jackpot equalling $43,557which was awarded to Cameron H. for his Quad Kings. Paul B., received twenty-five percent, totalling $21,778 for the winning hand of a Straight Flush. The remaining twenty five percent was split respectively amongst the remaining 8 players at the table for a total of $2,722 each.

Since the February 18, 2009 the Bad Beat Jackpot has been awarded three more times to the following winners:

February 22, 2009
Total Bad Beat Jackpot was $23,544
Bad Beat Winner Jeffery L. was awarded $11,773

February 24, 2009
Total Bad Beat Jackpot was $8,512
Bad Beat Winner Earl S. was awarded $4,256

February 27, 2009
Total Bad Beat Jackpot was $11,207
Bad Beat Winner Xiaowei (David) L. was awarded $5,603

The Jackpot is once again on the rise! The expected increase is $3,000- $4,500 per day.

The recent addition of the Progressive Bad Beat Jackpot has increased action and created quite a buzz within the Great Blue Heron’s poker room. The GBH proudly boasts some of the best poker action in Ontario, operating twelve poker tables daily. Typical game spread range from 5-10 to 20-40 limit Texas Holdem and Omaha High, also offering larger games of 30-60 to 50-100.

Comments

  • No offense intended because I have read many of your post and you provide excellent information and I have played in pp many, many times. I love your tournaments and tour but honestly, a BBJ is just another rake and I hate it.

    If things have changed in pp, ie. slower poker room and you are trying to draw in patrons, I apologize but doesn't your room have all the tables open every night? If the answer is still 'yes', I don't understand why poker players (the smartest and least gamble of all casino patrons) would want to donate an extra $1 from every hand (even if your answer is 'no', I still don't understand) to a jackpot in which the winner is NEVER putting this money back into the poker community.

    $4,500 in extra rake on top of the house take PER DAY and the money never returns to game.

    $4,500 x 7 days a week.

    Sigh...
  • So, JT, if you win it, can I have your share? :D



    No offense, just saying you have a choice in the matter . . .
  • jacktenoff wrote: »
    jackpot in which the winner is NEVER putting this money back into the poker community.

    $4,500 in extra rake on top of the house take PER DAY and the money never returns to game.

    $4,500 x 7 days a week.

    Sigh...
    I don't really like a jackpot rake either but how can you say the money never returns to the game? Isn't the jackpot normally all payed out by regulation?
  • To the OP, does the BBJ apply to your Omaha game as well?

    If so I would think this is a negative to the Holdem players. Ie. paying an equal rake with an inequal opportunity.
  • I think the implication is that the majority of recreational players will take that jackpot and use it for non-poker activities, rather than just to fatten their bankrolls in order to play higher.


    I don't understand it either, but . . .
  • Wetts1012 wrote: »
    To the OP, does the BBJ apply to your Omaha game as well?

    If so I would think this is a negative to the Holdem players. Ie. paying an equal rake with an inequal opportunity.

    Good question. And Darryl, you have to change that avatar, bud. It's REALLY starting to creep me out.
  • Wetts1012 wrote: »
    To the OP, does the BBJ apply to your Omaha game as well?

    If so I would think this is a negative to the Holdem players. Ie. paying an equal rake with an inequal opportunity.


    Usually same jackpot, different qualifications.

    ie., here, it's Quad 10's beaten for Omaha
  • how many tables is this place running?

    i'm trying to get my head around the odds of the jackpot being hit 4 times in the span of about 10 days. methinks something is rotten in the state of port perry.

    even if it does smell bad, i may have to check this out.
  • It does not apply to Omaha.

    The casino takes 10% of the pool...I think.



    AND IT CREEPS ME OUT TOO..
  • Plus correct me if I'm wrong, its limit poker where rake impact is higher.
  • i'm trying to get my head around the odds of the jackpot being hit 4 times in the span of about 10 days. methinks something is rotten in the state of port perry.

    If they don't require the two cards in the hole (and outlaw three ace boards) then I can see the jackpot being paid off constantly.
  • BBC Z wrote: »
    If they don't require the two cards in the hole (and outlaw three ace boards) then I can see the jackpot being paid off constantly.

    you must use both your cards.
  • compuease wrote: »
    I don't really like a jackpot rake either but how can you say the money never returns to the game? Isn't the jackpot normally all payed out by regulation?

    My guess is that any significant money won is going to be used to pay down credit cards, mortgages, loans, etc etc etc. If you win $30,000 and play 5/10, are you jumping to the 20/40 or bigger game? Even if you play the big game already, like I already wrote, the money is going to outside debt.

    And if the winner of a big portion is an occassional player, what small chance for some of it coming into play goes to nil.

    MILO, I have a choice because I drive and am willing to drive where ever the game is. What about those who can only play at pp? They have no choice if they want to play or people are uninformed and don't realize what the extra $1 per pot really means.

    Just saying...
  • jacktenoff wrote: »
    My guess is that any significant money won is going to be used to pay down credit cards, mortgages, loans, etc etc etc. If you win $30,000 and play 5/10, are you jumping to the 20/40 or bigger game? Even if you play the big game already, like I already wrote, the money is going to outside debt.

    And if the winner of a big portion is an occassional player, what small chance for some of it coming into play goes to nil.

    Agree 100%

    MILO, I have a choice because I drive and am willing to drive where ever the game is. What about those who can only play at pp? They have no choice if they want to play or people are uninformed and don't realize what the extra $1 per pot really means.

    So start a home game if it offends them that much.

    Just saying...

    See my bolded. I just do not see getting bent out of shape about this . . .
  • I despise jackpots.

    A jackpot makes me less likely to play where the jackpot is offered.

    It looks like $87,114 left the poker economy in the first 24 days of pay.

    That's a disaster. Which is bad for the players. It's also bad for the room in the long term.

    Players lose $3629.75 every day to the jackpot.

    The poker economy in your room loses $1,324,858.75 every year due to jackpot.

    Very bad.
  • the point you geniuses are all missing is it brings out the donkeys and keeps them paying you off just in case they hit on the river. put a price on that for me.
  • pkrfce9 wrote: »
    the point you geniuses are all missing is it brings out the donkeys and keeps them paying you off just in case they hit on the river. put a price on that for me.

    Nice sarcasim.

    How much extra money do you think you shall make over the course of a year because the so called donkey's chase to the river for a BBJ? Maybe a better question is how many times does a BBJ hand arise to give the chase? Donkey's chase, BBJ or not.

    If you can't see the problem with $1,000,000 (using reef's math) a year leaving the port perry poker community (and remember, port perry isn't collecting the BBJ for nothing, they're taking a cut of every dollar which is further proof of the 'rake' aspect), then the discussion is pointless.

    You may go back to your glass house now...
  • 13CARDS wrote: »
    Player 1: J-J
    Player 2: A-3

    Board: A-A-A-2-2

    BBJ??

    yes
  • Hello All

    It is nice to see everyone’s opinions (good or bad) regarding the Bad Beat Jackpot. Though some may like the idea and others do not. I felt it necessary to post the rules regarding the BBJ for everyone to read over.


    Bad Beat Jackpot Qualifications

    1) The Progressive Bad Beat Jackpot retained funds are the amounts taken from all eligible poker pots to fund the Progressive Bad Beat Jackpot and are separate from the house rake. The jackpot retained funds from each pot $20.00 or more will be a maximum of $1.00

    2) To qualify for the Progressive Bad Beat Jackpot both the winning and losing hands must:
    • Be the player’s best possible combination of five cards and include both of the player’s two (2) hole cards.
    • Losing hand must be a Full house Aces over Tens or better.
    • If a full house that is Aces full of Tens or better is played both hole cards must be used and at least one hole card must be an Ace.
    • If a four-of-a-kind is played both players two hole cards must be played and tabled.
    • There must be a minimum of four (4) active players dealt into the hand in order to qualify for the Progressive Bad Beat Jackpot.
    • Pot must consist of a minimum of $20.00 to qualify for a Bad Beat Jackpot. Jackpot (house rake is included in the total pot size)

    3) To qualify as an active participant you must:
    • Have met the minimum buy-in requirements.
    • Have played at least one hand and have no missed blind buttons in their possession.
    • Be physically sitting at the table and dealt in the game when the bad beat hand is won. If you are not dealt in, you are not eligible for any portion of the Bad Beat.

    4) Prior to the distribution of Bad Beat Jackpot money, surveillance personnel will review the surveillance tape of the Progressive Bad Beat hand.

    5) Payment will be made in increments of $1.00. Odd amounts will be credited to the Reserve Jackpot and the Jackpot will revert to the reserve Jackpot amount. All payments will be made through the cash cage.

    6) If there are players discussing the potential “Bad Beat” it will void the Bad Beat. Please do not discuss hands while there is still action pending. Not only is this bad poker etiquette, it will completely void the Progressive Bad Beat Jackpot.

    7) If a player mucks their hand and they had a potential “Bad Beat” hand, the hand will be considered dead. Whether the hand was turned face up or not, will not matter.

    8) All qualifying players at the winning Progressive Bad Beat table will be required to show valid photo ID in order to get paid.

    9) Omaha and Omaha/ Holdem mix games do not qualify for the Progressive Bad Beat Jackpot. The $1.00 retainer will not be collected from pots on these tables.

    Payout for the Bad Beat Jackpot is as follows:

    • 50% goes to the player with the winning Bad Beat Jackpot hand (i.e., the player with the second highest five card hand, in that round of play consisting of at least a full house of three aces and two tens.)
    • 25% goes to the player who won the hand in that round.
    • 25% is divided between the remaining players that were dealt into the round.

    In the event of a tie hand winning the Bad Beat Jackpot the 50% will be split.
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