2009 WSOP Satellites

T8urmoneyT8urmoney
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Looking for info on Sat's for the WSOP small events......$1500 - $3000

Anyone hit them up last year?

ie: Structure, starting chips, buy-in$$

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  • BlondeFishBlondeFish
    There were a bunch of local leagues and satellites last year that sent players to the WSOP or WPT.

    The WSOP website listed the structures for its various Mega satellites, but I hope they'll also post the structures of the WSOP single-table satellites this year. I'll probably play the Rio, Caesars Palace, Venetian or other +EV satellite where you can exchange your seat/lammers for 100% cash value, instead of being forced to play in the event with 30% tax.
    T8urmoney wrote: »
    Looking for info on Sat's for the WSOP small events......$1500 - $3000
    Anyone hit them up last year?
  • woog30woog30
    I played a satellite at the Rio last year $175 for a 1000 chips and pretty quick blinds (I think 15 minutes). Blinds were 25/25, 25/50, 50/100, 100/200. I played quite badly after I tripled up, the other chip leader was next on my left kept coming over the top and we allowed smaller stacks stick around while we battled a large portion of the hands. I understand the higher buy-in satellites had a bit better structure and starting chips. It was the first time I played a live satellite so I'm sure I didn't play it correctly.
    T8urmoney wrote: »
    Looking for info on Sat's for the WSOP small events......$1500 - $3000

    Anyone hit them up last year?

    ie: Structure, starting chips, buy-in$$
  • philliiveyphilliivey
    sites should be starting these up in February if i remember, but could be closer to spring, hope to have some bankroll ready before they start and hope i can find some good ones to play.

    That and say god dam it sir watts be my coach:)
  • westside8westside8
    philliivey wrote: »
    sites should be starting these up in February if i remember, but could be closer to spring, hope to have some bankroll ready before they start and hope i can find some good ones to play.

    That and say god dam it sir watts be my coach:)

    IIRC, most sites only run sats to the ME (although I think FTP ran a few where winner gets a couple of smaller event buy-ins)...your best bet is to play the STT satellites at the Rio for lamers (or obv home leagues/satellites)
  • 13CARDS13CARDS
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  • actyperactyper
    PKR has a bunch of wsop sats. Action poker had one 2 weeks ago that was pretty good. $100 fo, 1 seat guaranteed.
  • BlondeFishBlondeFish
    See the funny video and article of a Las Vegas reporter, who tries different jobs from a Chicken Ranch >:D madam to Juluis Caesar at Caesars Palace, when he tries to be a WSOP poker player and actually wins his first-ever :fish:satellite at the Rio!
    westside8 wrote: »
    your best bet is to play the STT satellites at the Rio for lamers (or obv home leagues/satellites)
  • T8urmoneyT8urmoney
    BlondeFish wrote: »
    There were a bunch of local leagues and satellites last year that sent players to the WSOP or WPT.

    The WSOP website listed the structures for its various Mega satellites, but I hope they'll also post the structures of the WSOP single-table satellites this year. I'll probably play the Rio, Caesars Palace, Venetian or other +EV satellite where you can exchange your seat/lammers for 100% cash value, instead of being forced to play in the event with 30% tax.

    At the Rio, they give out tourney tokens when you win? I'm sure I won't measure up to the satellite king....but I plan on doing the same thing....and hopefully play an event or two.
  • T8urmoneyT8urmoney
    woog30 wrote: »
    I played a satellite at the Rio last year $175 for a 1000 chips and pretty quick blinds (I think 15 minutes). Blinds were 25/25, 25/50, 50/100, 100/200. I played quite badly after I tripled up, the other chip leader was next on my left kept coming over the top and we allowed smaller stacks stick around while we battled a large portion of the hands. I understand the higher buy-in satellites had a bit better structure and starting chips. It was the first time I played a live satellite so I'm sure I didn't play it correctly.


    Damn...not alot of play in that. I've been practicing the 300 chip Turbo STT on FTP to get ready.
  • westside8westside8
    T8urmoney wrote: »
    At the Rio, they give out tourney tokens when you win? I'm sure I won't measure up to the satellite king....but I plan on doing the same thing....and hopefully play an event or two.

    Yep..their satellites pay out lamers which is essentially cash...
  • T8urmoneyT8urmoney
    westside8 wrote: »
    Yep..their satellites pay out lamers which is essentially cash...


    Sweet.....tks for the info. Breaking my WSOP cherry this year.....was there last year for a week, but just played Caesars and Binions. Planning on the first 2 weeks of June.
  • actyperactyper
    T8urmoney wrote: »
    Damn...not alot of play in that. I've been practicing the 300 chip Turbo STT on FTP to get ready.

    I'd suggest practicing on the play$ sngs to get ready for those sats.
  • T8urmoneyT8urmoney
    actyper wrote: »
    I'd suggest practicing on the play$ sngs to get ready for those sats.


    LOL......that bad is it?
  • SteveKerrSteveKerr
    is anyone hosting any rake free satelites for any $1500 wsop or wpt or to any of the $1100 at gbh? please pm me details if you are
  • BlondeFishBlondeFish
    Forumer PIRANHA hosted a rake-free satellite for the GBH $2,100 T.O.C. seat last month, but no other forumers bothered to support it. The_Game has been trying to host rake-free satellites for GBH/Rama or a league for the $10K WPT NAPC, but his posts and email haven't gotten a reply. PM them if anybody is SERIOUSLY interested in playing in a rake-free satellite. He had his weekly rake-free home game last Thursday which I couldn't go to, so I don't know if he can host a satellite before the December 10 T.O.C.
    SteveKerr wrote: »
    is anyone hosting any rake free satelites for any $1500 wsop or wpt or to any of the $1100 at gbh?
  • BlondeFishBlondeFish
    Details of the numerous WSOP single table satellites are now available! I'll do my full satellite analysis by the time I arrive at Las Vegas, but the satellites with 2 winners, 2000 or 5000 starting chips and rake of only 1.4%-3.4% :cool: look even more +$EV than all of the WPT NAPC satellites. You don't have to be a satellite king to beat that low a rake.

    By the way, anybody that plans to someday go to the WSOP should fill out their online survey. One of the questions asked what are the most important factors for choosing tournaments. Since structure was not a choice, I obviously chose rake as the #1 factor, which will probably be the least popular choice.
    I hope they'll also post the structures of the WSOP single-table satellites this year.
  • ReefAquariumReefAquarium
    I don't understand why people play WSOP satellites and then enter the main event, rather than taking cash.

    For most people $10,000 is a big chunk of their bankroll.

    Blowing $10,000 on what is essentially a lottery ticket is really bad bankroll management unless you bankroll is one to two million dollars.

    The above doesn't apply to Watts, Ryan, Buddy, etc ...
  • compueasecompuease Admin
    ReefAquarium wrote: »
    Blowing $10,000 on what is essentially a lottery ticket is really bad bankroll management unless you bankroll is one to two million dollars.

    The above doesn't apply to Watts, Ryan, Buddy, etc ...
    Wow, Buddy, you're bankroll is one or two million dollars? You have done well.....
  • westside8westside8
    Haven't we gone over this already? Sometimes you have to throw the bankroll management out the window. Yes, $10K is nice and all to pad your bankroll, but even with that extra $10k, you are still on a slow grind towards building anything remotely significant to be able to play a big tourney. Sometimes you just have to go take a shot and see if you can make that big score. When your bankroll is already 10K or so, an extra 10K is only going to allow you to move up a couple of limits..realistically achieveable if you are a proven long term winner. But the idea of playing the ME, having the potential for a big score, to me is worth ignoring the bankroll management idea.

    Stop being such a bankroll nit :D
  • chrisrowl111chrisrowl111
    westside8 wrote: »
    Haven't we gone over this already? Sometimes you have to throw the bankroll management out the window. Yes, $10K is nice and all to pad your bankroll, but even with that extra $10k, you are still on a slow grind towards building anything remotely significant to be able to play a big tourney. Sometimes you just have to go take a shot and see if you can make that big score. When your bankroll is already 10K or so, an extra 10K is only going to allow you to move up a couple of limits..realistically achieveable if you are a proven long term winner. But the idea of playing the ME, having the potential for a big score, to me is worth ignoring the bankroll management idea.

    Stop being such a bankroll nit :D

    Love it!
  • JohnnieHJohnnieH
    ReefAquarium wrote: »
    I don't understand why people play WSOP satellites and then enter the main event, rather than taking cash.

    Who cares about the cash...it's the WORLD SERIES OF POKER!

    If I'm ever lucky enough to donk my way into the ME, I'd be there. Playing the WSOP is a great way to meet the show pony professionals, learn a few things about live poker, and get a free trip to Las Vegas. It's an experience.
  • OPRCOPRC
    I'd have to totally agree with most on this post. If your gonna try to win a seat for the WSOP ME, and then simply take the 10k instead, why bother. I don't play a ton of online poker, some, but not alot. But when it comes time for WSOP Sat's..i load up and go for it. Not for the 10k, but for the actual chance to get my ass to vegas to get in the ME without it costing me 12k+ outta my pocket. Isn't that the whole idea of it? Playing Sat's to actually win a seat at the WSOP and go to it!! Only way i would "cash out" a seat, is if i had won one already and then keep playing in the Sat's to try to win another(strictly for the T$)
  • VoodooVoodoo
    westside8 wrote: »
    Haven't we gone over this already? Sometimes you have to throw the bankroll management out the window. Yes, $10K is nice and all to pad your bankroll, but even with that extra $10k, you are still on a slow grind towards building anything remotely significant to be able to play a big tourney. Sometimes you just have to go take a shot and see if you can make that big score. When your bankroll is already 10K or so, an extra 10K is only going to allow you to move up a couple of limits..realistically achieveable if you are a proven long term winner. But the idea of playing the ME, having the potential for a big score, to me is worth ignoring the bankroll management idea.

    Stop being such a bankroll nit :D


    Absolutely agree!
  • ReefAquariumReefAquarium
    OPRC wrote: »
    I'd have to totally agree with most on this post. If your gonna try to win a seat for the WSOP ME, and then simply take the 10k instead, why bother. I don't play a ton of online poker, some, but not alot. But when it comes time for WSOP Sat's..i load up and go for it. Not for the 10k, but for the actual chance to get my ass to vegas to get in the ME without it costing me 12k+ outta my pocket. Isn't that the whole idea of it? Playing Sat's to actually win a seat at the WSOP and go to it!! Only way i would "cash out" a seat, is if i had won one already and then keep playing in the Sat's to try to win another(strictly for the T$)

    For me poker decisions are seen through the lenses of, "Does this make sense? Does this make money?"


    Sounds like you have decided that this is a matter of the utility that you get from the WSOP and that bankroll is not an issue for you. I guess we can agree to disagree. Good luck.
  • ReefAquariumReefAquarium
    westside8 wrote: »
    Haven't we gone over this already? Sometimes you have to throw the bankroll management out the window. Yes, $10K is nice and all to pad your bankroll, but even with that extra $10k, you are still on a slow grind towards building anything remotely significant to be able to play a big tourney. Sometimes you just have to go take a shot and see if you can make that big score. When your bankroll is already 10K or so, an extra 10K is only going to allow you to move up a couple of limits..realistically achieveable if you are a proven long term winner. But the idea of playing the ME, having the potential for a big score, to me is worth ignoring the bankroll management idea.

    Stop being such a bankroll nit :D

    You raise some good points.

    Lets say someone with a $60,000 bankroll wins a $10,000 seat.

    He'd be playing with 1/7th of his bankroll on the table.

    So he'd have to be pretty sure that he has a good overlay to make up for the big swing in his bankroll this would make.

    I think I'm better than the average field at the wsop.... but you need to get into the top 1-5% to make serious life changing money. I think I'd want to be thinking that I'm better than the top 5% of the field before I'd enter the ME.
  • BlondeFishBlondeFish
    ReefAquarium wrote: »
    For me poker decisions are seen through the lenses of, "Does this make sense? Does this make money?"
    You need to remember that most poker players don't make decisions based on money like you do. Many don't care about rake or about the 30% withholding tax or about bankroll management or that the best $10K event for Canadians is the WPT NAPC. If their dream or passion is to play in the WSOP, they will get more utility from spending U$1,500 - U$10,000 than putting that money in a TFSA.

    The best way to go for their $10K dream is to play satellites. If they win a seat for a small fraction of that $10K, then they are correctly maximizing their utility by living out their dream.
    ReefAquarium wrote: »
    I think I'm better than the average field at the wsop.... but you need to get into the top 1-5% to make serious life changing money. I think I'd want to be thinking that I'm better than the top 5% of the field before I'd enter the ME.
    IF you like tournaments, then taking a +EV shot at the WPT NAPC by playing a satellite would be a good idea without having to be the top 5%, but there is no point for you since you don't get as much fun from "donkaments" as many of us forumers do. Many players will make very different poker decisions than you and I, so enjoy taking advantage of it. Viva la difference! :)
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