Realistically, it's a rule that is impossible to enforce which makes it a bad rule.
If you can't guarentee that it's one single physical player to one single virtual seat at the table, then any rule that attemps to enforce it is pointless.
Collary: You should anticipate that everyone sitting around the table against you in any online poker event are colluding.
Collary: You should never be playing online for amounts of money that are significant to you.
Well, that sort of brings up sort of another tricky area, basically that being if you are going to cheat in this way try to be less obvious about it.
I assume they could do some sort of IP type checks or something to be sure the same computer is not playing multiple entries (no idea, not my thing).
I think assuming every game features complete collusion would result in a ton of - EV decisions, kind of like when players change play to factor in how a site is "rigged."
In this case they could guarantee it. Not every criminal gets caught, but many do crimes in such a dumb way that it helps to at least be able to punish those that do get caught. Note, not saying he was a criminal in this situation, I do believe the original mistake was an accident.
A quick search of your user names on google turned up two other quick examples of you doing this. I couldn't be bothered to look for more, but I'm sure there are. Cheaters like you should be blacklisted from online poker and all funds confiscated.
I know these are the same person because he admitted it previously (read the whole thread)
One occurrence I could ALMOST believe, but 3 occurrences? (and that's just a quick search, I'm sure there are more) How do you do this at least three times without noticing? Not a good excuse, and I'm not buying it.
I know these are the same person because he admitted it previously (read the whole thread)
One occurrence I could ALMOST believe, but 3 occurrences? (and that's just a quick search, I'm sure there are more) How do you do this at least three times without noticing? Not a good excuse, and I'm not buying it.
So you are able to keep every skin of every site straight when some sites may have 10 skins?
Oh yes it is obvious. Which why there would be no point to denying it. ie. claim it was my wife etc. Totally accidental. Not something that has happened before. I didn't know what to do once it happened and unfortunately I did well enough in both for it to be noticed. I'm famous now for a bad reason. I'm not sure what anyone else would have done in the same situation.
From post #5, now that we've determined that it has happened before........
Ok thanks. I certainly don't recall it ever happening before but obviously it did. Playing multiple skins at once is a bad idea.
FYI - Pokerroom and Hollywood froze my accounts and took $9k. Good thing I made all that money multi-accounting $2 turbo shorthanded tourneys. I'm disappointed, but I did it to myself. Not much to do or say other than to just move on.
To my friends - you don't have to defend me. It's my fault. You can either decide I'm a cheater or an idiot. Either way I don't care.
He also said it was obvious so why even do it in the 1st place.
I see you've been making the forum rounds though and think you were in the same tourney.
What a tough couple of months for you online. Although you said it wasn't necessary, let me add my voice in support of you. I know that when I signed up for Chan Poker I had trouble with my user name. What I didn't realize was that it conflicted with a Pokerroom account I had set up a few years before.
It seems perfectly logical to me that you would not have noticed playing in the same tournament under multiple skins when there were hundreds of entrants. I can't believe the software doesn't stop multiple accounts from the same IP address.
I hope that you have some sort of appeal for the frozen accounts.
Sandy
P.S. If you were a cheater, you didn't do it very well. Using virtually the same name on the two skins would have been an idiotic way to intentionally cheat.
Ok thanks. I certainly don't recall it ever happening before but obviously it did. Playing multiple skins at once is a bad idea.
FYI - Pokerroom and Hollywood froze my accounts and took $9k. Good thing I made all that money multi-accounting $2 turbo shorthanded tourneys. I'm disappointed, but I did it to myself. Not much to do or say other than to just move on.
To my friends - you don't have to defend me. It's my fault. You can either decide I'm a cheater or an idiot. Either way I don't care.
Shitty deal though Moose and to the newbie (whose name I cannot recall, and couldn't be bothered to look up), what's with the righteous indignation? Save that shit for 13cards
Ok thanks. I certainly don't recall it ever happening before but obviously it did. Playing multiple skins at once is a bad idea.
FYI - Pokerroom and Hollywood froze my accounts and took $9k. Good thing I made all that money multi-accounting $2 turbo shorthanded tourneys. I'm disappointed, but I did it to myself. Not much to do or say other than to just move on.
To my friends - you don't have to defend me. It's my fault. You can either decide I'm a cheater or an idiot. Either way I don't care.
Well played moose. You screwed up and took it, no excuses. Sucks that pokerroom and hollywood are out for you know, but i completely agree with them doing so.
You guys gotta kick that dangerous53 some slack. It was one of his buddies on the pokerroom forum that got affected by this, and like all he just wants to rid rooms of multi accounters. We know that moose did not intentionally cheat, but anybody outside this forum would not. In fact we would be saying the same things dangerous53 would be saying if the roles were reversed.
Hopefully ongame adds some kind of ip detection soon, hopefully though we can still play 2 skins at the same time. There are many sundays where i play hollywood and pokerroom at the same time as well, different tournies of course. I do know that for some reason I was unable to play Mansion (when it was ongame) and another ongame skin at the same time.
A quick search of your user names on google turned up two other quick examples of you doing this. I couldn't be bothered to look for more, but I'm sure there are. Cheaters like you should be blacklisted from online poker and all funds confiscated.
Btw I was at a complete loss with these ones since I don't usually play such low limits but it couldn't be wrong so I accepted it. It just made no sense to multi these ones, even accidently. But I finally remembered that my nephew came for a visit and wanted to play his uncle, so we bought into a couple low limit tourneys. So there you have it. Big evil Moose multi-accounting with his nephew to deprive low limit donks of their pocket change.
Yes, because then you get people who think that the rule CAN be enforced and it causes stupidity like this thread.. Where people really believe that online poker is one person per hand/account/player at the table.
I mean, it's pretty obvious that it was a honest to god mistake and not an attempt at cheating. I'd consider pitching-a-bitch over at CasinoMeister over the confiscation of 9K. You may be able to get away with just forfeiture of your ticket and 10th place cash (assuming that wasn't the 9K)
Also, I think you are being very noble in confessing to the error and 'falling on your sword' but remember, the 9K isn't going to other players. It's just going directly into pokerroom's pocket. Why do they deserve to profit from your mistake and not the players?
I mean, it's pretty obvious that it was a honest to god mistake and not an attempt at cheating. I'd consider pitching-a-bitch over at CasinoMeister over the confiscation of 9K. You may be able to get away with just forfeiture of your ticket and 10th place cash (assuming that wasn't the 9K)
Also, I think you are being very noble in confessing to the error and 'falling on your sword' but remember, the 9K isn't going to other players. It's just going directly into pokerroom's pocket. Why do they deserve to profit from your mistake and not the players?
Fight it.
I believe it when he talks about his nephew playing with him in the other times it happened in the small limit tables. (though welcome to the world of having stuff like this used against you which I can understand why from their perspective even if inaccurate)
I believe him when he says he registered for this one twice by mistake.
The problem is he actively played both accounts in this, and even if he never shared a table or tried to actively take advantage of this, the problem is that it can be abused by others (ie: use one account to target certain better players on other tables to weaken the field or whatever, or just perma stall with one so that table gets very few hands in and everyone's stack suffers).
Playing deep with both is the main problem here in my mind, and I am not quite sure how that can be appealed. If he sat out with one account once he realized what happened, then I would be the first one yelling that any punishment would be unfair.
The problem is he actively played both accounts in this, and even if he never shared a table or tried to actively take advantage of this, the problem is that it can be abused by others (ie: use one account to target certain better players on other tables to weaken the field or whatever, or just perma stall with one so that table gets very few hands in and everyone's stack suffers).
Let's assume that moose wanted to cheat the tournament. Why wouldn't he do it with accounts that have nothing in common with eachother? It doesn't sound logical to me that he would be actively trying to scam a tournament by being registered twice with the same account name of 'moose'. Something that is very obvious and will be noticed by everyone with basic logic skills.
Now, assume that he did multiacount the tournament but with accounts "Moose" and "ILuvCards". And because his account names have nothing in common, and the software does nothing to limit you from registering from both.. you never know that it's the same person.
Now, think about what the person who is actively scamming the tournament and what they are doing? Well, they're going to do the two unrelated account thing and laugh all the way to the bank.
Do you now understand why I see no logical reason in why moose should lose his money? Why does Pokerroom get a free 9K due to their own shitty software?
On a somewhat related topic, if one does use two accounts and play the same multitable tournament, what sort of an advantage does it really give you? I understand if you had both accounts at the same table but in a multi of any size that would seem to happen so rarely that it wouldn't really be much of a factor. Now I know why this would be an advantage at a cash game or in an SNG but not sure I understand it for the type of tournament we are talking about here.... Enlighten this old soul please..
I'll be back after I finish my 10 person SNG where I have 10 accounts playing... Maybe I'll finish in the money for once...
Also, I think you are being very noble in confessing to the error and 'falling on your sword' but remember, the 9K isn't going to other players. It's just going directly into pokerroom's pocket. Why do they deserve to profit from your mistake and not the players?
Fight it.
Great point, how about if we demand that Pokeroom run a 9K freeroll for pokerforum members?
Then we'll all go all-in against Moose and open fold..... wink, wink....
Great point, how about if we demand that Pokeroom run a 9K freeroll for pokerforum members?
Then we'll all go all-in against Moose and open fold..... wink, wink....
Let's assume that moose wanted to cheat the tournament. Why wouldn't he do it with accounts that have nothing in common with eachother? It doesn't sound logical to me that he would be actively trying to scam a tournament by being registered twice with the same account name of 'moose'. Something that is very obvious and will be noticed by everyone with basic logic skills.
My assumption is that he did not try to cheat on purpose, but he did realize his error then continued to play. The intent as you keep focusing on is not the issue, it was the behavior after the mistake was realized that is, at least for me. If you drive 100 thinking the speed limit is 100 when it is 60 that is one thing. If you pass by a few signs that then say it is 60 and you keep going 100, then the fact you thought the speed limit was 100 at an earlier time is not an excuse.
Now, assume that he did multiacount the tournament but with accounts "Moose" and "ILuvCards". And because his account names have nothing in common, and the software does nothing to limit you from registering from both.. you never know that it's the same person.
Yes and no. On the crypto tables many people have become familiar with opponent's various user names, so that may not work as well as you think and anyway that is kind of beside the point. Just because smarter cheats can potentially get away with something compared with dumb cheats, does not mean that the dumb cheats should get a free pass on an issue.
Now, think about what the person who is actively scamming the tournament and what they are doing? Well, they're going to do the two unrelated account thing and laugh all the way to the bank.
Well, unless they get caught (usually by other players) in which case the cost will be considerable. That is generally the rule of thumb about violating rules and laws.
Do you now understand why I see no logical reason in why moose should lose his money? Why does Pokerroom get a free 9K due to their own shitty software?
I tend to agree that given the circumstances that taking all of his balance is extreme, however I would think that they should take his winnings from both accounts in that tournament and move everyone up 1-2 spots and award them the difference.
I would agree that he should appeal to get whatever extra they may have confiscated by presenting the step by step breakdown of what happened in each of the tournaments he did this in.
When a cheater on a site such as FT or Stars is found, the confiscated $ is passed on to those that finished before him. Thats what PR should do, though it may be a bit more difficult since it was spread over x years of play there.
My assumption is that he did not try to cheat on purpose, but he did realize his error then continued to play. The intent as you keep focusing on is not the issue, it was the behavior after the mistake was realized that is, at least for me.
Can you please articulate what mooses advantage is? He pays twice the entry fee and pays twice the rake. He's never at the same table as his alter ego.
On the crypto tables many people have become familiar with opponent's various user names,
Ok, 99/100 times people have been caught multiaccounting it's because they bragged about it or someone ratted them out. Don't talk like you can just watch two nicknames play and guarentee they are the same person.
Thats what Page Ranking should do, though it may be a bit more difficult since it was spread over x years of play there.
Christ, he's not a lifetime cheater. Have you met the guy?
Oh and another example why his balance shouldn't be confiscated: If he was trying to run a scam, he wouldn't leave 9K sitting in his balance.
See, you guys, LOVE applying the letter of the law all the fucking time and can never see the forest for the trees. Was it a violation? Ya probably, does he deserve the death penalty? C'mon.
Can you please articulate what mooses advantage is? He pays twice the entry fee and pays twice the rake. He's never at the same table as his alter ego.
Note, I am not saying he did this, but what a player can do includes the following:
- Stall with one of his IDs at one of the tables every hand. I have had this happen in some of my Pokerstars tourneys and it is very frustrating as you end up playing 20-30 hands an hour instead of 60-70 which means that the amount of chips at the table will grow much more slowly as the tournament progresses (simply because people are getting knocked out at a slower rate).
- Just go wild with one account early on knowing he has a backup in case that one loses
- If it is some kind of multi tournament leader board promotion then use your extra account to target players that represent a threat to you on the leader board.
Is the advantage significant? Well, overall not a ton I guess. Is it zero? No.
Again, not suggesting he did any of this, just showing how multi accounting can be of some advantage.
Ok, 99/100 times people have been caught multiaccounting it's because they bragged about it or someone ratted them out. Don't talk like you can just watch two nicknames play and guarentee they are the same person.
You might be surprised how easy it is to figure out who is whom, especially on the smaller sites, and I am sure the sites can check as well if a player is reported whether it is the same person or not. Players do most of the policing in this way anyway.
Christ, he's not a lifetime cheater. Have you met the guy?
Oh and another example why his balance shouldn't be confiscated: If he was trying to run a scam, he wouldn't leave 9K sitting in his balance.
See, you guys, LOVE applying the letter of the law all the fucking time and can never see the forest for the trees. Was it a violation? Ya probably, does he deserve the death penalty? C'mon.
I agree with you that losing an extra 9k is inappropriate given the context of the situation.
I do not agree that the "this is too dumb a crime, so why would anyone do it" is a valid defense. While perhaps true in this instance, it is a line of reasoning that could easily be exploited if it is excused.
I think that the biggest shock in this whole thing is that people are surprised that this is an every day occurencein online poker...get real ya'll
Not sure where you get this from (or the point of it), as I am fairly sure all of us are aware that the world is not always honest (in all things). Online poker really is not much different, the vast majority of players are honest and a few are cheaters/criminals, and in some cases like this one it is more complex.
Some people who work in banks, super markets, charities etc. steal every day. Part of the human condition, but not really the issue at hand here.
Christ, he's not a lifetime cheater. Have you met the guy?
Oh and another example why his balance shouldn't be confiscated: If he was trying to run a scam, he wouldn't leave 9K sitting in his balance.
See, you guys, LOVE applying the letter of the law all the fucking time and can never see the forest for the trees. Was it a violation? Ya probably, does he deserve the death penalty? C'mon.
So Pokerroom shouldn't confiscate his balance because they know moose personally and that he's a nice guy? Never called moose a cheater, his action was inappropriate though.
Imperium left several hundred thousands in his account. So did JJ Prodigy and his flock. I don't think you've kept up to date with all the bannings and confiscations that have happened this past month. 9k was nothing compared to what Stars took and redistributed.
Moose didn't get the death penalty, he got blocked from his accounts. Would a bank manager let a known bank robber into his bank? Child molester into a daycare? Honestly if this was some troll he made his first post in the same scenario, you would be all over him. And to clarify i'm not comparing moose to any of those people, he has only gained my respect for the way he dealt with it. Using his words he just had an idiotic moment.
So if accidentally steal a pack of gum and am found out, does that mean that my car can be seized.
In moose's case they took far more that the money that he won while multi-accounting.
The pack of gum kind of trivializes this a bit, but the problem is that after he discovered the stolen gum, and realized it was stolen, he then opened it and started chewing away. I certainly think he should pay for the gum (have his tourney win amounts taken). If the rules say that his car gets taken that is quite harsh, but then don't chew the gum, just return it (ie: sit out one account).
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Well, that sort of brings up sort of another tricky area, basically that being if you are going to cheat in this way try to be less obvious about it.
I assume they could do some sort of IP type checks or something to be sure the same computer is not playing multiple entries (no idea, not my thing).
I think assuming every game features complete collusion would result in a ton of - EV decisions, kind of like when players change play to factor in how a site is "rigged."
In this case they could guarantee it. Not every criminal gets caught, but many do crimes in such a dumb way that it helps to at least be able to punish those that do get caught. Note, not saying he was a criminal in this situation, I do believe the original mistake was an accident.
A quick search of your user names on google turned up two other quick examples of you doing this. I couldn't be bothered to look for more, but I'm sure there are. Cheaters like you should be blacklisted from online poker and all funds confiscated.
Finished 252 and 2140
https://poker1.bwin.com/poker.aspx?view=tournamentinfo&tournamentID=37203574
Finished 367 and 461
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How do you know that if they are the same person that they had realized it and just sat out one account?
I can certainly understand how you can register for the same tourney across MULTIPLE skins especially when you do play a lot of games.
PS here's a book to help you out.
One occurrence I could ALMOST believe, but 3 occurrences? (and that's just a quick search, I'm sure there are more) How do you do this at least three times without noticing? Not a good excuse, and I'm not buying it.
So you are able to keep every skin of every site straight when some sites may have 10 skins?
FYI - Pokerroom and Hollywood froze my accounts and took $9k. Good thing I made all that money multi-accounting $2 turbo shorthanded tourneys. I'm disappointed, but I did it to myself. Not much to do or say other than to just move on.
To my friends - you don't have to defend me. It's my fault. You can either decide I'm a cheater or an idiot. Either way I don't care.
I see you've been making the forum rounds though and think you were in the same tourney.
Seems to be your life's mission at the moment.
It seems perfectly logical to me that you would not have noticed playing in the same tournament under multiple skins when there were hundreds of entrants. I can't believe the software doesn't stop multiple accounts from the same IP address.
I hope that you have some sort of appeal for the frozen accounts.
Sandy
P.S. If you were a cheater, you didn't do it very well. Using virtually the same name on the two skins would have been an idiotic way to intentionally cheat.
I vote idiot over cheater...
Shitty deal though Moose and to the newbie (whose name I cannot recall, and couldn't be bothered to look up), what's with the righteous indignation? Save that shit for 13cards
Well played moose. You screwed up and took it, no excuses. Sucks that pokerroom and hollywood are out for you know, but i completely agree with them doing so.
You guys gotta kick that dangerous53 some slack. It was one of his buddies on the pokerroom forum that got affected by this, and like all he just wants to rid rooms of multi accounters. We know that moose did not intentionally cheat, but anybody outside this forum would not. In fact we would be saying the same things dangerous53 would be saying if the roles were reversed.
Hopefully ongame adds some kind of ip detection soon, hopefully though we can still play 2 skins at the same time. There are many sundays where i play hollywood and pokerroom at the same time as well, different tournies of course. I do know that for some reason I was unable to play Mansion (when it was ongame) and another ongame skin at the same time.
Btw I was at a complete loss with these ones since I don't usually play such low limits but it couldn't be wrong so I accepted it. It just made no sense to multi these ones, even accidently. But I finally remembered that my nephew came for a visit and wanted to play his uncle, so we bought into a couple low limit tourneys. So there you have it. Big evil Moose multi-accounting with his nephew to deprive low limit donks of their pocket change.
Yes, because then you get people who think that the rule CAN be enforced and it causes stupidity like this thread.. Where people really believe that online poker is one person per hand/account/player at the table.
When it re-enforces a falsehood, it's a bad rule.
I mean, it's pretty obvious that it was a honest to god mistake and not an attempt at cheating. I'd consider pitching-a-bitch over at CasinoMeister over the confiscation of 9K. You may be able to get away with just forfeiture of your ticket and 10th place cash (assuming that wasn't the 9K)
Also, I think you are being very noble in confessing to the error and 'falling on your sword' but remember, the 9K isn't going to other players. It's just going directly into pokerroom's pocket. Why do they deserve to profit from your mistake and not the players?
Fight it.
I believe it when he talks about his nephew playing with him in the other times it happened in the small limit tables. (though welcome to the world of having stuff like this used against you which I can understand why from their perspective even if inaccurate)
I believe him when he says he registered for this one twice by mistake.
The problem is he actively played both accounts in this, and even if he never shared a table or tried to actively take advantage of this, the problem is that it can be abused by others (ie: use one account to target certain better players on other tables to weaken the field or whatever, or just perma stall with one so that table gets very few hands in and everyone's stack suffers).
Playing deep with both is the main problem here in my mind, and I am not quite sure how that can be appealed. If he sat out with one account once he realized what happened, then I would be the first one yelling that any punishment would be unfair.
Let's assume that moose wanted to cheat the tournament. Why wouldn't he do it with accounts that have nothing in common with eachother? It doesn't sound logical to me that he would be actively trying to scam a tournament by being registered twice with the same account name of 'moose'. Something that is very obvious and will be noticed by everyone with basic logic skills.
Now, assume that he did multiacount the tournament but with accounts "Moose" and "ILuvCards". And because his account names have nothing in common, and the software does nothing to limit you from registering from both.. you never know that it's the same person.
Now, think about what the person who is actively scamming the tournament and what they are doing? Well, they're going to do the two unrelated account thing and laugh all the way to the bank.
Do you now understand why I see no logical reason in why moose should lose his money? Why does Pokerroom get a free 9K due to their own shitty software?
I'll be back after I finish my 10 person SNG where I have 10 accounts playing... Maybe I'll finish in the money for once...
Then we'll all go all-in against Moose and open fold..... wink, wink....
So just another Bristol for you Jeff?
My assumption is that he did not try to cheat on purpose, but he did realize his error then continued to play. The intent as you keep focusing on is not the issue, it was the behavior after the mistake was realized that is, at least for me. If you drive 100 thinking the speed limit is 100 when it is 60 that is one thing. If you pass by a few signs that then say it is 60 and you keep going 100, then the fact you thought the speed limit was 100 at an earlier time is not an excuse.
Yes and no. On the crypto tables many people have become familiar with opponent's various user names, so that may not work as well as you think and anyway that is kind of beside the point. Just because smarter cheats can potentially get away with something compared with dumb cheats, does not mean that the dumb cheats should get a free pass on an issue.
Well, unless they get caught (usually by other players) in which case the cost will be considerable. That is generally the rule of thumb about violating rules and laws.
I tend to agree that given the circumstances that taking all of his balance is extreme, however I would think that they should take his winnings from both accounts in that tournament and move everyone up 1-2 spots and award them the difference.
I would agree that he should appeal to get whatever extra they may have confiscated by presenting the step by step breakdown of what happened in each of the tournaments he did this in.
Can you please articulate what mooses advantage is? He pays twice the entry fee and pays twice the rake. He's never at the same table as his alter ego.
Ok, 99/100 times people have been caught multiaccounting it's because they bragged about it or someone ratted them out. Don't talk like you can just watch two nicknames play and guarentee they are the same person.
Christ, he's not a lifetime cheater. Have you met the guy?
Oh and another example why his balance shouldn't be confiscated: If he was trying to run a scam, he wouldn't leave 9K sitting in his balance.
See, you guys, LOVE applying the letter of the law all the fucking time and can never see the forest for the trees. Was it a violation? Ya probably, does he deserve the death penalty? C'mon.
Note, I am not saying he did this, but what a player can do includes the following:
- Stall with one of his IDs at one of the tables every hand. I have had this happen in some of my Pokerstars tourneys and it is very frustrating as you end up playing 20-30 hands an hour instead of 60-70 which means that the amount of chips at the table will grow much more slowly as the tournament progresses (simply because people are getting knocked out at a slower rate).
- Just go wild with one account early on knowing he has a backup in case that one loses
- If it is some kind of multi tournament leader board promotion then use your extra account to target players that represent a threat to you on the leader board.
Is the advantage significant? Well, overall not a ton I guess. Is it zero? No.
Again, not suggesting he did any of this, just showing how multi accounting can be of some advantage.
You might be surprised how easy it is to figure out who is whom, especially on the smaller sites, and I am sure the sites can check as well if a player is reported whether it is the same person or not. Players do most of the policing in this way anyway.
I agree with you that losing an extra 9k is inappropriate given the context of the situation.
I do not agree that the "this is too dumb a crime, so why would anyone do it" is a valid defense. While perhaps true in this instance, it is a line of reasoning that could easily be exploited if it is excused.
Not sure where you get this from (or the point of it), as I am fairly sure all of us are aware that the world is not always honest (in all things). Online poker really is not much different, the vast majority of players are honest and a few are cheaters/criminals, and in some cases like this one it is more complex.
Some people who work in banks, super markets, charities etc. steal every day. Part of the human condition, but not really the issue at hand here.
So Pokerroom shouldn't confiscate his balance because they know moose personally and that he's a nice guy? Never called moose a cheater, his action was inappropriate though.
Imperium left several hundred thousands in his account. So did JJ Prodigy and his flock. I don't think you've kept up to date with all the bannings and confiscations that have happened this past month. 9k was nothing compared to what Stars took and redistributed.
Moose didn't get the death penalty, he got blocked from his accounts. Would a bank manager let a known bank robber into his bank? Child molester into a daycare? Honestly if this was some troll he made his first post in the same scenario, you would be all over him. And to clarify i'm not comparing moose to any of those people, he has only gained my respect for the way he dealt with it. Using his words he just had an idiotic moment.
So if accidentally steal a pack of gum and am found out, does that mean that my car can be seized.
In moose's case they took far more that the money that he won while multi-accounting.
The pack of gum kind of trivializes this a bit, but the problem is that after he discovered the stolen gum, and realized it was stolen, he then opened it and started chewing away. I certainly think he should pay for the gum (have his tourney win amounts taken). If the rules say that his car gets taken that is quite harsh, but then don't chew the gum, just return it (ie: sit out one account).
cheater or not hes learned his lesson and thats the important part.