Pokerstars
I typed in "is poker stars rigged" into google and found several forums with 20+ pages. Why might you ask? Well, I am a winning player live and applied the same strat to online, cept I play tighter and cant read aswell online. I have been playing online only at pstars for the last 2 years. I have never been up money at that site, no matter how I played. I was playing omaha hilo 3/6 NL, and lost 3 major hands in a row 1 month ago. First AA2K double suited, to KKQQ no suite. AA26 single suite to A378 all suited. and AA23 double suite (best hand in omaha hilo) to A277. I lost more then $2000, not including the money I should have won.
Then I decided to play $6 single table SNGs, because I wanted to see some stats. I applied an allin or fold strategy. 10 to 6 handed I would only play AA KK QQ AK. And i would go allin preflop. No chance of making mistakes anywhere in the hands. Below 6 I would play AQ JJ 1010. below 4 I would play AJ A10 99 88 77. and heads up I would play my normal playstyle.
here are my stats that I took down.
Total SNGs: 136
Cashed SNGs: 22
Hands played up to heads up: 740
Hands won up to heads up: 126
AA win %: 5%
KK win %: 12%
QQ win %: 24%
AK win %: 14%
Some other interesting facts I noticed: I was only behind twice out of 740 hands. QQ vs KK, and AK vs KK. And I won both of those pots.
Some notable beats:
AA vs 22. Flop A77. Turn 2. River 2.
QQ vs Q5o vs Q7o. flop 575, turn 7, river A. (first hand of the SNG)
KK vs K5o. Flop AK4 turn 3 river 2.
% of KK and QQ winning vs Random Ace. 7/89. So I had a 8% win ratio with my 70% odds.
I won 22% of my coin tosses.
I have spent my last penny on pokerstars, and have unistalled. I believe they wish to keep fishes on that site so they let the fishes win and the good poker player believes his badluck streak will turn around some time soon. As for the pros playing on pokerstars, its rare to catch a pro playing a cash game as they only play in the WCOOP. And they probably have free entrance covered in their contracts.
Then I decided to play $6 single table SNGs, because I wanted to see some stats. I applied an allin or fold strategy. 10 to 6 handed I would only play AA KK QQ AK. And i would go allin preflop. No chance of making mistakes anywhere in the hands. Below 6 I would play AQ JJ 1010. below 4 I would play AJ A10 99 88 77. and heads up I would play my normal playstyle.
here are my stats that I took down.
Total SNGs: 136
Cashed SNGs: 22
Hands played up to heads up: 740
Hands won up to heads up: 126
AA win %: 5%
KK win %: 12%
QQ win %: 24%
AK win %: 14%
Some other interesting facts I noticed: I was only behind twice out of 740 hands. QQ vs KK, and AK vs KK. And I won both of those pots.
Some notable beats:
AA vs 22. Flop A77. Turn 2. River 2.
QQ vs Q5o vs Q7o. flop 575, turn 7, river A. (first hand of the SNG)
KK vs K5o. Flop AK4 turn 3 river 2.
% of KK and QQ winning vs Random Ace. 7/89. So I had a 8% win ratio with my 70% odds.
I won 22% of my coin tosses.
I have spent my last penny on pokerstars, and have unistalled. I believe they wish to keep fishes on that site so they let the fishes win and the good poker player believes his badluck streak will turn around some time soon. As for the pros playing on pokerstars, its rare to catch a pro playing a cash game as they only play in the WCOOP. And they probably have free entrance covered in their contracts.
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you should be shoving 72o, j5o, q2o.. etc to be a winning online player.
Re-deposit and try that and you should see much better results
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What you're <beep> saying is really quite <beep> interesting to me since I myself <beep> play poker online, and would hate to think <beep> I'm being cheated.....
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Do go on!
Mark
And I do have record of every hand I played on my laptop. I know it doesn't prove that pokerstars is rigged, but it sure makes it seems so. Go on google and type "pokerstars is rigged." many threads have been created about this.
Also if you didn't know, the owner of pokerstars is a jewish man living on an island that protects business criminals. And he has been charged with fraud in the past.
Go on fulltilt and you will see their Pro players playing almost 24/7. Go on pokerstars, and you will be lucky to find 1 player on. They are probably on other poker sites playing under other names.
Like I said before, I have been playing online poker at pokerstars for 2 years and I have never been up. Odds where I have a 4:1 adv I lose 90% of the time. Numbers don't lie. If the numbers are off, then something else is off.
Those are just my 2 cents.
Not only is a pokerstars is rigged tinfoil hat, but a jewish conspiracy one too?!!?!?!?
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Mark
Technically, this might qualify you as a bad player.
Numbers are numbers. People lie, like what you do when you make up numbers.
Do deeply paranoid people like yourself realize they are paranoid? Just curious.
other then that, i'm ok with it.
i think you probly play very tight, and only play big hand.
according to math, it's a losing way of playing.
you just can't win enough to beat the rake and the blinds.
Wouldn't a much better way for a site to rig their software if they chose to do so be in the following way:
On the mid/upper stake games where rake is capped on every flop, once every 20-30 hands or so generate a "fast" hand.
in NL for example give all but 2 players complete trash hands. Give someone in early mid position AA and the BB a hand like 78 suited. Make the flop KQ2 rainbow with none of the BBs suit. Will go raise everyone but BB folds he calls then check fold in most cases on the flop.
Very fast hand, which will leave no footprint in any database programs. Make it random when the hands happen, so the net effect is about 1-2 extra hands are dealt every hour.
No need to target any player good or bad, no need to do all sorts of complex AI programming etc. Just a simple way to generate a little extra money and let large volumes of hands make it for you.
Now, this is pure fantasy and even this would be silly for a site to do, but it strikes me as a much better way to "rig" software then all of the crazed theories we tend to see.
I guess saying they unjuice a hand once in a while does not sound as romantic
Do you guys actually play on pokerstars?
Are you guys winning players on pokerstars?
Keep playing at pokerstars and keep telling yourself it will turn around. Everyone I know has moved onto fulltilt and other sites, and I was actually the last one to stay on pokerstars.
Playing that way is very profitable in SNG turbos if even I won half of the odds. When I play for cash live or online I switch up my game.
When I play live I don't play tight. I'm actually a semi-loose aggressive player.
And its funny how you guys think it would be impossible to actually rig a poker site. With money you can do anything. Especially use it to make lots more money.
Heh, only behind in 2 out of 740 hands. Not even a single hand of AK vs a lower pair or KQ vs an Ax . Never had AQ vs AK, even when short stacked you were never ever behind. Yeah, that is totally believable...
You do not even lie well.
You did not answer my question, do deeply paranoid people realize they are paranoid?
Oh, I am 77 feet tall. Numbers do not lie. Oh wait sorry I rounded, I am only 76 feet 11 and 3/4 inches. I also win the lottery each week, I just choose to not redeem the tickets.
All the best.
Oh, and if googling something is an indication of fact, feel free to google
Left handed people are evil
Flat Earth Society
Pop rocks and Coke
Tharp is dead to me.
Try this:
you keep saying the number
but i don't see anything
post some pics from PT or HM
What's your login on stars? I can verify your claim if you want.
I typed "Elvis is alive and flipping burgers in Kansas" in google and evidently it's true, as per the internet.
People can put what ever they want on the net. It doesn't necessarily make it so, does it?
You said you played how many Sit n Gos? 136? That is such a small sample size, there's no way any statistics would give an accurate picture.
And, yes some numbers from pokertracker would certainly clarify things. We'd love to see some of your losing Hand Histories and provide input on where you may be going wrong.
Ok, you just debunked yourself
three hands? & bad beat in Omaha
You would need about 30,000 hands to give an accurate picture if your a winning Omaha player and not three frigin hands. Plus, it's frigin Omaha, this beats happen all the frigin time.
Until you can provide some long term statistics, you are sounding pretty silly.
You seriously went from a $600 buyin NL Omaha 8 game to $6 SnGs?
Open up any limit $1000 nl and above, you'll see mostly pros. All with millions of hands under their belt, and they'll glady tell you why 3 hands of Omaha or 136 SnGs is too small of sample size to get any amount of statistics from.
He makes stuff up and the stuff he makes up is so absurd, since if it was true it would be either
1) Mathematically the same odds as him randomly picking the right single grain of sand on the planet. Many times in a row.
2) Such a blatant and easy thing to detect and prove assuming he is not so special that Stars just targets him on $5 sit and gos... If it was really rigged this badly then people who have more then 2 brain cells would have detected and proved it by now with actual data.
The guy is either a strange troll with no purpose or more likely just one of the many humans on the planet that is borderline retarded in terms of how they analyze situations, and not on the better side of that borderline
Seriously, my claim of being 77 feet tall is more realistic then his claims.
A couple of my favourite parts below...
And my ABSOLUTE favourite was Moose's Tinfoil hat picture. I wish I could insert that into the chat box on poker sites for all the other borderline retards I meet who are convinced of the same thing as Tharp.
sstar
you did. $2000 worth.
Did you have at least 20BIs to play the level you were playing????