What's Your Play - Version 2.0
Maxing Value - Another part of my game that needs developing.
Obv. set mining here and flop pretty much the nuts. V1 doesnt seem like a typical Shortstacker based on his play. V2 and I have some history. I semi-bluff shoved on him about 2 orbits earlier at another table and went RR flush. Based on previous chat he is still steaming.
Whats the play?
Full Tilt Poker Game #7921581898: Table Verbena Creek - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:53:19 ET - 2008/09/03
Seat 1: TheBelgarion ($167.55)
Seat 2: Wetts1012 ($198)
Seat 3: eelnip ($106.35)
Seat 4: MarcoTheBEAST ($110)
Seat 5: tarath ($222.60)
Seat 6: Lightning99 ($59)
Seat 7: punkkid_here ($277.35)
Seat 8: JAMJKM1213 ($35)
Seat 9: Don Jives ($114.40)
JAMJKM1213 posts the small blind of $1
Don Jives posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012 [7c 7h]
Wetts1012 has reconnected
Wetts1012 calls $2
eelnip folds
MarcoTheBEAST folds
tarath folds
Lightning99 raises to $10
punkkid_here folds
JAMJKM1213 folds
Don Jives folds
TheBelgarion calls $8
Wetts1012 calls $8
*** FLOP *** [7d Ts 2h]
TheBelgarion checks
Wetts1012 checks
Lightning99 bets $25
TheBelgarion calls $25
??
Obv. set mining here and flop pretty much the nuts. V1 doesnt seem like a typical Shortstacker based on his play. V2 and I have some history. I semi-bluff shoved on him about 2 orbits earlier at another table and went RR flush. Based on previous chat he is still steaming.
Whats the play?
Full Tilt Poker Game #7921581898: Table Verbena Creek - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:53:19 ET - 2008/09/03
Seat 1: TheBelgarion ($167.55)
Seat 2: Wetts1012 ($198)
Seat 3: eelnip ($106.35)
Seat 4: MarcoTheBEAST ($110)
Seat 5: tarath ($222.60)
Seat 6: Lightning99 ($59)
Seat 7: punkkid_here ($277.35)
Seat 8: JAMJKM1213 ($35)
Seat 9: Don Jives ($114.40)
JAMJKM1213 posts the small blind of $1
Don Jives posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012 [7c 7h]
Wetts1012 has reconnected
Wetts1012 calls $2
eelnip folds
MarcoTheBEAST folds
tarath folds
Lightning99 raises to $10
punkkid_here folds
JAMJKM1213 folds
Don Jives folds
TheBelgarion calls $8
Wetts1012 calls $8
*** FLOP *** [7d Ts 2h]
TheBelgarion checks
Wetts1012 checks
Lightning99 bets $25
TheBelgarion calls $25
??
Comments
I'd likely flat this bet on the flop, check into the short stack on the turn who HAS to bet his remaining $24, I'm assuming TheBelgarion will call that $24, leaving him with $108 back, and the pot swelling to $153. I can't really imagine a scare card on the turn here, JQ isn't seeing past the flop, so I can only imagine villain has an over pair or something like A10.
Anyways... when that last $24 goes in and is called, here's where you raise IMO. The pot goes to $177 with a call, so a raise of about $80 brings it to $257 - or >3:1 odds for the villain. If he calls, he's put another $80 of his 108, and he's committed. If he's going to call, he may as well push.
Reasoning: He may think you're pushing him off again - ideally the turn card is a second flush card or something since you like those runner runners (in his mind). If you think he'll call a push, then just push.
Mark
you are 99+% likely to have the best hand here. you want to get all the money in the middle. your best shot to do this is before a scare card hits.
don't worry about the shortie. he has more than half his stack in there now and he is going nowhere. you gotta figure out how to get the other guy's stack in there.
i'm curious what he could have to call a raise OOP then call a big bet on the flop OOP. i suppose a draw or badly played overpair? or maybe he figures you will fold on this flop and he is likely to beat shortie with a small pair or 2 overs? i dunno but his play seems weak. of course he could be trapping YOU with TT but i discount this.
what cards could scare him? if he has 2pr (aka two pair), overpair or 22, then 6 or J might do it, if he puts you on a draw when you call. if he has some middling pair then any A or K would likely be a scare card. if he is on the draw, you gotta get the money in before the river as he obv calls nothing on the river if he misses. so it has to be in by the turn.
if you call, the pot has around 105 and a push on the turn is a huge overbet. on balance, i say put in the min-raise now. i expect shortie to call and the other guy, getting 6-1 would be hard pressed to fold. shove the turn and he's getting close to 3-1 to call.
flame away.
p.s. lot of donkeys defend with 98. soooted or otherwise
I could also justify a shove here as it may make your hand look even weaker. I would have a tough time putting you on trips here if you shoved. However I would be able to range your hand down to 2 overs, pocket overpair or A 10 which may allow me to get out of the way.
I think the standard reraise is your best bet which says little about your hand and begs a reraise by a decent hand.
I chose this line - based on my history with V2. I am obv already investing V1's $ cuz he is terrible for not calling here. This line would not work in most situations - which I understand is not the best EV choice.
I like the minraise line vs. random villain. fwiw villain called me a "fonk" after the hand, which is now my new fav. term.
I was relatively surprised at the strength of both hands.
*** FLOP *** [7d Ts 2h]
TheBelgarion checks
Wetts1012 checks
Lightning99 bets $25
TheBelgarion calls $25
Wetts1012 raises to $188, and is all in
Lightning99 calls $24, and is all in
TheBelgarion calls $132.55, and is all in
Wetts1012 shows [7c 7h]
Lightning99 shows [Ks Kd]
TheBelgarion shows [Ad Ac]
Uncalled bet of $30.45 returned to Wetts1012
*** TURN *** [7d Ts 2h] [4s]
*** RIVER *** [7d Ts 2h 4s] [Jc]
Wetts1012 shows three of a kind, Sevens
TheBelgarion shows a pair of Aces
Wetts1012 wins the side pot ($217.10) with three of a kind, Sevens
Lightning99 shows a pair of Kings
Wetts1012 wins the main pot ($177) with three of a kind, Sevens
TheBelgarion is sitting out
Lightning99 adds $40
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $397.10 Main pot $180. Side pot $217.10. | Rake $3
Board: [7d Ts 2h 4s Jc]
Seat 1: TheBelgarion showed [Ad Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: Wetts1012 showed [7c 7h] and won ($394.10) with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 3: eelnip didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: MarcoTheBEAST didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: tarath didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Lightning99 showed [Ks Kd] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 7: punkkid_here (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: JAMJKM1213 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: Don Jives (big blind) folded before the Flop
Getting berated by the guy who didn't re-raise with KK...
Mmmmm..
Mark
The raise was from shortie so that should have been the target of AA. lololol.
Far worse imo.
He flats from the BB PF.
He check/calls the flop.
But in his world, YOU'RE the donk for playing such a crap pair.
Love it when they think they're aces and kings are indestructable and you show them they're not. Always good for a laugh. NH Darryl, well played.
With their hands it would have work out no matter how you played the hand.
TheBelgarion might have been able to get away, after all he is a bet, he calls and then you shove, that seems like a trap to me. Check/shove usually means better then one pair.
Actually, I don't mind his play on every street. Looking back, his flat call pf is not too bad since he is closing the action with two opponents, and one can't hurt him to bad. A lot of times he is going to trap BB for a smaller overpair or TPTK. And given his image, he might just get called by lesser hands like a pair and a gutshot.
I'd be curious to see what hero would do if the flop was somthing like T 8 6.
I am probably check folding any non-set. Once in a while I may lead for 18ish and see what happens but that seems kind of spewish given Im folding to any aggression.
It would be interesting to know what others would do.