Playing your best, but with no reward

Doesn't that suck?
Yesterday while playing at Riverrock, I was on my 'A' game playing the No-limit. Making great plays, great steals at the right time and just playing my best. I was also getting great cards.

But doesn't it suck when you outplay someone, but their foolishness outdraws you? I get AQ of hearts in the BB and someone in MP raises to $30. I call and we go heads up. Flop comes Qc6h2h. Dream flop! I check, the guy bets $50, I raise $125 forcing him to push for another $100 more because he was pot commited. So I call and he shows me KQ. So he has two outs. I still cannot see how he could call my raise. I could of easily hit a set or two pair. Anyways, of course he hits his two outer on the river. Then he gloats about it saying how he had a perfect read on me and how he is a great player.

What I do not understand with new players... is when they say they have a great read on someone. So if the guy read me on AQ, why call?

Oh well, crash and burn.

Comments

  • i know it is annoying . . but you can at least console yourself with the fact that in the long run his reads are going to cost him biiiiiiiiiiiiiig time . . and your play will still make money
  • Exactly, that was not a great read imo at all. Just remember his/her name because odds are if the situation happens again, you'll come out on top!
  • RoyalFlush wrote:
    I get AQ of hearts in the BB and someone in MP raises to $30. I call and we go heads up. Flop comes Qc6h2h. Dream flop! I check, the guy bets $50, I raise $125 and he pushes for another $100 more. So I call and he shows me KQ. So he has two outs.

    Why were you playing with a deck with only 3 kings in it? That sucks! I'm just kidding...it doesn't make it any easier that he in fact had an enormous 3 outs!!
  • stpboy wrote:
    Why were you playing with a deck with only 3 kings in it? That sucks! I'm just kidding...it doesn't make it any easier that he in fact had an enormous 3 outs!!

    If the guy with the big read didn't have the Kh...

    ...2 outs would be right...

    Hope you figure why... ;)
  • mads777 wrote:
    If the guy with the big read didn't have the Kh...

    ...2 outs would be right...

    Hope you figure why... ;)


    I see, I see. One of the kings he could have hit would have been the king of hearts giving RF his flush...my bad lol.
  • Assuming the opponent does not hold the Kh, the opponent's number of outs is somewhere strictly between 2 and 3 (but very close to 2), since the Kh on the turn opens up a new 4-out draw, or any Queen or King (apart from the Kh) on the turn opens up the Kh as a new out.

    Anyway, I thought there were supposed to be *five* Kings in the standard PokerForum.ca deck of cards. KQ is huge. ;)

    ScottyZ
  • RoyalFlush wrote:
    Then he gloats about it saying how he had a perfect read on me and how he is a great player.

    What I do not understand with new players... is when they say they have a great read on someone. So if the guy read me on AQ, why call?
    he bluff-called

    i love it, his perfect 'read' told him he was beat and he still called(pushed all in) when it was obvious u were going to call. just tough luck on the river....

    i made a great read in the $3+R tourney i just won, i raised 10k w/ ATo in mid......guy in BB pushed all in for like 23k or so more and i knew it, i smelled ace-rag.....i called and he turned over ace-5, but when a 5 spiked on the river he had two pair......i almost layed down AT but i knew i was ahead and everyone at the table were complimenting me saying great read and all but i lost which sucked...... the thing that made it all better is he was the guy i knocked out in 3rd place so he only got $113 and i got the $650 package

    better luck next time, b/c that guy that had the great read, is pretty fishy and his chips will soon enough come your way
  • royal...those 2 persian guys do that to me all the time....you know, the guys i complain about never being able to beat...

    last time out, i lost 2 seperate hands to one of them....both because of backdoor flushes with all the money going in on the flop...

    the first one he had 2nd pair, crappy kicker.....he thought for a long time then pushed in anyways and called

    the second one was worse...called a preflop raise with 5Ts (these guys play any two suited)....the flop had one heart and gave him a gutshot...i put him all-in and he called anyways (sometimes i wonder what people's thought process is....if you're gonna bluff all-in with a gutshot, fine, i can respect that...but calling all-in? i don't get it)....heart, heart, nice hand

    i know you want people to make these moves because they are horrible....but those 2 guys, i just can't ever seem to beat....they r the kings of drawing out heh
  • Hey Royal Flush man
    Are you coming on Friday to my tourny, you to Arkose I still want that beer LOL. Get back to me. Also Royal I too may know what it feels like to get beat by a bad call( Remember the kicked over chair) KK-AK.
    Bob
  • Munchkin5 wrote:
    Hey Royal Flush man
    Are you coming on Friday to my tourny, you to Arkose I still want that beer LOL. Get back to me. Also Royal I too may know what it feels like to get beat by a bad call( Remember the kicked over chair) KK-AK.
    Bob
    I dont think we would be able to attend your house game. I think we might go out that night to a friends birthday party.

    I do not mind getting suckered out if it is all-in preflop. Because then, you are just hopping he doesn't it or whatnot. But if you get suckered out after a crappy call on the flop... then its horrible.

    And still, I just dont understand how some players think. I have played down KQ many times with a flop of Q,rag,rag. If there was a preflop raise, and you bet out and the original raiser raises you on the flop, you have to think you are somewhat not good. People get too attached to their hands. But of course, it all depends on situation.
  • Ya i hate it when people make bad plays then suck out on you. like this one time i trapped a relativly inexperienced player he pushed on the turn with AK ace high i had a pair and a flush draw he had neither of my flush cards so he was drawing to a 4 outer. he read me as weak (wich i obviously wanted him to) made the bad play then sucked out on me.....the funny thing is he still gloats about it to this day...whats his name again??? i think he goes by "RoyalFlush" on this message board. anyway point being i love it when people make the same bad plays then complain about them. anyway this is a very moot topic.

    1. u make the right play everytime...the end.
    2. people will hit there 1-2-3-4 outers on u that is poker.
    3. complaining about it does nothing if these things still bother u then you still have along way to go playing poker. i get mad when i make a bad play or not the most optimal play wich happens alot in no limit. people sucking out on me does make me mad but i get over it quickly.
  • ya royal did the same to me with Q2 because he 'thought i had AK' and had no pair on the flop :) thats what *everyone* says when they make a bad call hehe (has anyone else noticed this? soooo many people say 'oh i put you on AK and thought you missed'; except when they lay down their hand and see your high pair, then its 'i knew you had aces/kings/queens so i threw my hand away'

    anyways, i'm not complaining, even though my earlier post sounds like it....it just tends to get in your head a bit if the same person(s) always seem to beat you, no matter what.......

    i know some people that get scared off if they know someone will make a bad call....because they are worried they will get sucked out on....which is totally the wrong way to look at things.....i will keep playing the same way against them and i'll get 'em eventually
  • oh, and no, sorry i can't make the tourney, i'll be in whistler this weekend
  • JasonA wrote:
    Ya i hate it when people make bad plays then suck out on you. like this one time i trapped a relativly inexperienced player he pushed on the turn with AK ace high i had a pair and a flush draw he had neither of my flush cards so he was drawing to a 4 outer. he read me as weak (wich i obviously wanted him to) made the bad play then sucked out on me.....the funny thing is he still gloats about it to this day...whats his name again??? i think he goes by "RoyalFlush" on this message board. anyway point being i love it when people make the same bad plays then complain about them. anyway this is a very moot topic.
    The point is he read me on a Queen and he was right.
    That is different then making a bluff and then hitting.

    It's like calling an all-in with nothing, or pushing all-in with nothing.
    Which one sounds right on a bluff?

    Also, I don't gloat about the AK, I gloat more about making you lay down top pair with my bluff.
  • point of the story....royal flush is ^%#@.
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