What do you think?

Kristy

This is not my hand, but I was surprised by the river check/check...does anyone else think that Sunny Equity HAS to bet that river?

Does anyone have a convincing argument for NOT betting it?


Results in white, but please answer question BEFORE checking.

PokerStars Game #18816995947: Tournament #95697336, $30+$3 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/07/14 - 14:38:29 (ET)
Table '95697336 2' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Ro_nier (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: Kroll99 (1360 in chips)
Seat 3: Sunny Equity (1830 in chips)
Seat 4: Kristy_Sea (2040 in chips)
Seat 5: donco11 (1410 in chips)
Seat 6: F550 (1470 in chips)
Seat 7: NpSbEsTc4l (1400 in chips)
Seat 8: MmMIkey123 (1420 in chips)
Seat 9: pokrputz (1070 in chips)
NpSbEsTc4l: posts small blind 10
MmMIkey123: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kristy_Sea [Kh Qc]
pokrputz: folds
Ro_nier: folds
Kroll99: folds
Sunny Equity: calls 20
Kristy_Sea: calls 20
donco11: calls 20
F550: folds
NpSbEsTc4l: calls 10
MmMIkey123: checks
*** FLOP *** [Js 6h 5c]
NpSbEsTc4l: bets 60
MmMIkey123: calls 60
Sunny Equity: raises 140 to 200
Kristy_Sea: folds
donco11: folds
NpSbEsTc4l: calls 140
MmMIkey123: folds
*** TURN *** [Js 6h 5c] [6s]
NpSbEsTc4l: checks
Sunny Equity: checks
*** RIVER *** [Js 6h 5c 6s] [3c]
NpSbEsTc4l: checks
Sunny Equity: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
NpSbEsTc4l: shows [Jd Tc] (two pair, Jacks and Sixes)
Sunny Equity: shows [Jh Kd] (two pair, Jacks and Sixes - King kicker)
Sunny Equity collected 560 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 560 | Rake 0
Board [Js 6h 5c 6s 3c]
Seat 1: Ro_nier folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Kroll99 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Sunny Equity showed [Jh Kd] and won (560) with two pair, Jacks and Sixes
Seat 4: Kristy_Sea folded on the Flop
Seat 5: donco11 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: F550 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: NpSbEsTc4l (small blind) showed [Jd Tc] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Sixes
Seat 8: MmMIkey123 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: pokrputz folded before Flop (didn't bet)

AcidJoe

I don't have a convincing arguement for not betting the river given how the hand played out. I probably fire again at the turn and if called check it down. I don't see any harm in checking it down but given my style of play I don't see what it accomplishes either. I see more problems in not firing away on the turn, Sunny obviously thought the hand was best given the re raise and I don't see A6 calling that so I would fire one more bullet before I considered checking it down.

InsaneGuy

I'll go with a PP 77-99
the other guy called the flop reraise so he was afraid of the jack but yeah he has to bet.
The other guy has a busted something

I suck (wanna type that before I reply cuz it's prolly going to be completly false lol)

Edit in white:
yep... I suck... lol wasn't even close

actyper

I think you have to unhide Sunny's holecards to answer this question, but no I see absolute no reason why that person shouldn't have bet.

Kristy

it is pretty obv what he has..the second card rank *might* change by one

Quimby

I would check this.

Based on the previous actions, what hands does Sunny Equity think NpSbEsTc4l has that Sunny Equity beats that would call a bet on the river?

If you bet, are you looking for a fold or betting for value? If you're looking for value, how much would you have bet if you were Sunny Equity?

westside8

Let see...given the way this hand played out, depending on Sunny's hand, he could bet for value or as a bluff. What is the read on NpSbEsTc4l? Does Sunny's hand have any value in showdown as played? Has NpSbEsTc4l ever check-raised any rivers? Without seeing the cards or any of NpSbEsTc4l's tendency..its hard to say.

Kristy

well I don't want to be results oriented (since I got both their hands right) but I think you two are over-complicating this because you don't want to be wrong.

It is a $33 3-table, they're the most boring straightforward players on earth.

When I posted this I thought that I might be missing some train of thought, but now I'm pretty sure that it is just nit-fps

westside8

Kristy_Sea wrote: »

well I don't want to be results oriented (since I got both their hands right) but I think you two are over-complicating this because you don't want to be wrong.

Maybe thats why you're Bristol St. champion and neither of us are not.

Kristy

westside8 wrote: »

Maybe thats why you're Bristol St. champion and neither of us are not.

So you both are?

It was so close to a sick burn.

ReefAquarium

I don't usually play this high, ... actually I don't usually play tournaments but I'll take a crack at this...

Sunny Equity as a winning loose aggressive. He's played about 1600 tournaments usually about 30's and is up $6,100

NpSbSeTc4l I have little data on (only 16 tournaments) , he's about break even and usually plays the $20's.

Kristy_Sea wrote: »

This is not my hand, but I was surprised by the river check/check...does anyone else think that Sunny Equity HAS to bet that river?

Does anyone have a convincing argument for NOT betting it?


Results in white, but please answer question BEFORE checking.

PokerStars Game #18816995947: Tournament #95697336, $30+$3 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/07/14 - 14:38:29 (ET)
Table '95697336 2' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Ro_nier (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: Kroll99 (1360 in chips)
Seat 3: Sunny Equity (1830 in chips)
Seat 4: Kristy_Sea (2040 in chips)
Seat 5: donco11 (1410 in chips)
Seat 6: F550 (1470 in chips)
Seat 7: NpSbEsTc4l (1400 in chips)
Seat 8: MmMIkey123 (1420 in chips)
Seat 9: pokrputz (1070 in chips)
NpSbEsTc4l: posts small blind 10
MmMIkey123: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kristy_Sea [Kh Qc]
pokrputz: folds
Ro_nier: folds
Kroll99: folds
Sunny Equity: calls 20
Kristy_Sea: calls 20
donco11: calls 20
F550: folds
NpSbEsTc4l: calls 10
MmMIkey123: checks
*** FLOP *** [Js 6h 5c]
NpSbEsTc4l: bets 60
MmMIkey123: calls 60
Sunny Equity: raises 140 to 200

nobody raised preflop, so an overpair is unlikely.
A lagish player raises into a better and caller on a pretty dry flop.
The only draw might be something like 78 but that's unlikely.

Kristy_Sea: folds
donco11: folds
NpSbEsTc4l: calls 140
MmMIkey123: folds
*** TURN *** [Js 6h 5c] [6s]
NpSbEsTc4l: checks
Sunny Equity: checks

440 in the pot ... nobody want to bet, since pot commitment issues raises it's head.
it's unlikely either player has a flush draw or a A6 or 65.

*** RIVER *** [Js 6h 5c 6s] [3c]


NpSbEsTc4l: checks
Sunny Equity: checks

I'm stumped here, I can't think of anything where this check/check makes any sense.

the river is about as blank as could be...42 or 47 is unlikely at this point.
Both players are happy to check down their hands.

Maybe if we've seen npsbestc4l check a strong hand to induce a bluff on the river in the past...

nah.. i'm stumped.

*** SHOW DOWN ***
NpSbEsTc4l: shows [Jd Tc] (two pair, Jacks and Sixes)
Sunny Equity: shows [Jh Kd] (two pair, Jacks and Sixes - King kicker)
Sunny Equity collected 560 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 560 | Rake 0
Board [Js 6h 5c 6s 3c]
Seat 1: Ro_nier folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Kroll99 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Sunny Equity showed [Jh Kd] and won (560) with two pair, Jacks and Sixes
Seat 4: Kristy_Sea folded on the Flop
Seat 5: donco11 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: F550 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: NpSbEsTc4l (small blind) showed [Jd Tc] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Sixes
Seat 8: MmMIkey123 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: pokrputz folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerVector

I think there should have been a bet on the turn as oppose to the river.