Seneca Casino has a Skill Level 6 tournament on July 19. This is the similar $1,070 event that all_aces made it to heads-up. Which of the aforementioned tournaments am I going to play for sure?
Caesars Palace Mega Stack Series, with a Patience Factor of 23-57! :blob"
Caesars Palace Mega Stack Series, with a Patience Factor of 23-57! :blob"
Yeah...the patience factor may be high, but the later levels will probably feel really fast because of the structure. You play super deep early, but by the time bubble comes around - you are probably pretty shallow. With that said, I'll end up playing a couple of events either way
I couldn't disagree with you more. I compared the blind structures of the $1,060 Mega Stack event with the corresponding ~60-minute level tournaments such as the $1,000-$5,000 WSOP, $1,060 Venetian, $1,080 Golden Nugget, $500 Binion's, Orleans and Bellagio events and there is no comparison. I would have loved to play the 25,000-chip Mega Championship with a PF of 57, but the 3-day event conflicts with my flight departure.
To compare, the $1,500 WSOP event I have to play in has a PF of 15 and it will be a bingo push-fest by the fourth level. If I had a choice, I would trade in the $1,500 to play in all the Mega Stack events instead.
Yeah...the patience factor may be high, but the later levels will probably feel really fast because of the structure. You play super deep early, but by the time bubble comes around - you are probably pretty shallow.
I couldn't disagree with you more. I compared the blind structures of the $1,060 Mega Stack event with the corresponding ~60-minute level tournaments such as the $1,000-$5,000 WSOP, $1,060 Venetian, $1,080 Golden Nugget, $500 Binion's, Orleans and Bellagio events and there is no comparison. I would have loved to play the 25,000-chip Mega Championship with a PF of 57, but the 3-day event conflicts with my flight departure.
To compare, the $1,500 WSOP event I have to play in has a PF of 15 and it will be a bingo push-fest by the fourth level. If I had a choice, I would trade in the $1,500 to play in all the Mega Stack events instead.
The only ones I've looked at thus far are Caesar's, Venetian, and the WSOP schedule...and I'm not looking at it based on the PF and what not, I'm looking at how deep the stacks are in proportion to the starting stack at a particular point of a tourney (credits to DoGGz from 2p2).
The $540s should be over, or close to over at this point.
While the Megastacks start out super deep, they go shallow pretty quickly. Despite the WSOP being a much shallower/less patient tournament, I would rather try to accumulate a stack early and have an expanded bubble play, instead of a tournament where I grind for hours and end up bubbling (bubbling/bubbling is used very loosely here - refers to the general time frame between ITM and not ITM) so I can take adv. of the juicy cash games available.
Exactly! DoGGz's alternative analysis from mine already shows that the WSOP $1500 event has a worse structure throughout than the Venetian Deep Stack $1,070. It will be even worse if he compared it to the Mega Stack $1,060, which has 50% longer levels for the final table! :cool: In addition, the WSOP event is over 40% more expensive than the two better events. By the way, his initial analysis was faulty because he neglected to include antes while I factored in the cost per round ("M"). See the Mega Stack tournament structure if you want to do the analysis that he and I did.
Continuing to compare apples to apples, the Mega Stack $550 (PF=34) clearly has the best structure for ~$500 tournaments, including the Venetian $550 over the whole two days.
Deepstack $540 - .0625
Megastack $540 - .375
For buy-ins under $500, nothing even comes close to the Mega Stack $340 and $235 tournaments in terms of amount of play for the money. Well-bankrolled professionals will play the biggest buy-in events such as the WSOP $50K HORSE, $10K ME and the WPT Bellagio $15K, and will consider $235-$550 buy-ins as a waste of their time, but for the rest of us amateurs, the Mega Stack Series offers by far the best value. "cheers:
Continuing to compare apples to apples, the Mega Stack $550 (PF=34) clearly has the best structure for ~$500 tournaments, including the Venetian $550 over the whole two days.
For buy-ins under $500, nothing even comes close to the Mega Stack $340 and $235 tournaments in terms of amount of play for the money. Well-bankrolled professionals will play the biggest buy-in events such as the WSOP $50K HORSE, $10K ME and the WPT Bellagio $15K, and will consider $235-$550 buy-ins as a waste of their time, but for the rest of us amateurs, the Mega Stack Series offers by far the best value. "cheers:
I am not argueing the Mega Stack Series is not a tournament with good value - merely the opposite. For $200/$300/$500 - you can sit there and play for hours where as the WSOP you can very well be knocked out within the first hour due to how shallow the stacks are. The only point I made...was that while the WSOP has shallower stacks, as you approach deeper into the tournament, there stacks actually become deeper as a whole due to the slower blind structures.
See the secret "Mega Files" and the spreasheet below.
The bottom line is if a friend going to Las Vegas wanted to play in a $1,000+ event with slow 60-minute blinds, at least five of the series have raised the bar and become better than the WSOP $1,500 events. I would highly recommend the $1,060 Caesars Palace Mega Championship with a 90-minute final table, followed by the $2,000 Binion's Championship Event. The WSOP $1,500 events would be dead last so I would only recommend them if I hated somebody that much.
Whats worth more to you after the win though? A Caesar's Megastack title or a bracelet?
With several million dollars I can buy all the trophies I want. ...
Less the stupid american tax..
That's one reason I hate US tourneys. All that good money being taken out of the poker economy and being wasted on the US gov't., -- rather than recycled into the poker economy and being spent on hookers, and BDSM toys.
With several million dollars I can buy all the trophies I want. ...
Less the stupid american tax..
That's one reason I hate US tourneys. All that good money being taken out of the poker economy and being wasted on the US gov't., -- rather than recycled into the poker economy and being spent on hookers, and BDSM toys.
Whats worth more to you after the win though? A Caesar's Megastack title or a bracelet?
That's why I'm also playing the best-value event for a WSOP bracelet - WSOP final event #55. I'm leaving extra space in my luggage for BOTH the Caesars Palace trophy and a WSOP bracelet.
See the secret "Mega Files" and the spreasheet below.
The bottom line is if a friend going to Las Vegas wanted to play in a $1,000+ event with slow 60-minute blinds, at least five of the series have raised the bar and become better than the WSOP $1,500 events. I would highly recommend the $1,060 Caesars Palace Mega Championship with a 90-minute final table, followed by the $2,000 Binion's Championship Event. The WSOP $1,500 events would be dead last so I would only recommend them if I hated somebody that much.
You deserve to win with all this effort! Most guys just show up.
The results from the sold-out $55,000 GBH tournament is now available online. Several of the players have had previous CPT cashes, but it was the first cash for the winner.
The results from the sold-out $55,000 GBH tournament is now available online. Several of the players have had previous CPT cashes, but it was the first cash for the winner.
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If you meant something closer, Turning Stone in about 3 weeks. Heartland Poker Tournament/Championship or something
Caesars Palace Mega Stack Series, with a Patience Factor of 23-57! :blob"
Yeah...the patience factor may be high, but the later levels will probably feel really fast because of the structure. You play super deep early, but by the time bubble comes around - you are probably pretty shallow. With that said, I'll end up playing a couple of events either way
To compare, the $1,500 WSOP event I have to play in has a PF of 15 and it will be a bingo push-fest by the fourth level. If I had a choice, I would trade in the $1,500 to play in all the Mega Stack events instead.
The only ones I've looked at thus far are Caesar's, Venetian, and the WSOP schedule...and I'm not looking at it based on the PF and what not, I'm looking at how deep the stacks are in proportion to the starting stack at a particular point of a tourney (credits to DoGGz from 2p2).
Starting Chips
WSOP $1500 - 3,000
Deepstack $1060 - 10,000
Deepstack $540 - 10,000
Megastack $540 - 15,000
You get less starting chips with the WSOP, so you won't be starting out deepstacked.
BB vs Starting stack
Starting level
WSOP $1500 - 60
Deepstack $1060 - 200
Deepstack $540 - 200
Megastack $540 - 300
Again the WSOP does not offer deep stacked play. The Megastack starts incredibly deepstacked.
Four hours in
WSOP $1500 - 15
Deepstack $1060 - 50
Deepstack $540 - 16.66
Megastack $540 - 25
The $1060 remains deep, while the remaining tournaments start dropping.
Eight hours in
WSOP $1500 - 3.75
Deepstack $1060 - 8.33
Deepstack $540 - 2.5
Megastack $540 - 5
The WSOP $1500 is now actually deeper then the $540 Deepstack and is gaining on the other events. The $1060 Deepstack is looking to have great value.
Twelve hours in
WSOP $1500 - 1.5
Deepstack $1060 - 2.5
Deepstack $540 - .33
Megastack $540 - 1.25
The $540 events are showing the disadvantages of faster levels. They have swung from very deep to very very shallow.
Fifteen hours in
WSOP $1500 - .500
Deepstack $1060 - .833
Deepstack $540 - .0625
Megastack $540 - .375
The $540s should be over, or close to over at this point.
While the Megastacks start out super deep, they go shallow pretty quickly. Despite the WSOP being a much shallower/less patient tournament, I would rather try to accumulate a stack early and have an expanded bubble play, instead of a tournament where I grind for hours and end up bubbling (bubbling/bubbling is used very loosely here - refers to the general time frame between ITM and not ITM) so I can take adv. of the juicy cash games available.
Hey thanks! Been looking for that for awhile... Is this only for the ME or same structure throughout the entire series?
I am not argueing the Mega Stack Series is not a tournament with good value - merely the opposite. For $200/$300/$500 - you can sit there and play for hours where as the WSOP you can very well be knocked out within the first hour due to how shallow the stacks are. The only point I made...was that while the WSOP has shallower stacks, as you approach deeper into the tournament, there stacks actually become deeper as a whole due to the slower blind structures.
The bottom line is if a friend going to Las Vegas wanted to play in a $1,000+ event with slow 60-minute blinds, at least five of the series have raised the bar and become better than the WSOP $1,500 events. I would highly recommend the $1,060 Caesars Palace Mega Championship with a 90-minute final table, followed by the $2,000 Binion's Championship Event. The WSOP $1,500 events would be dead last so I would only recommend them if I hated somebody that much.
Whats worth more to you after the win though? A Caesar's Megastack title or a bracelet?
With several million dollars I can buy all the trophies I want. ...
Less the stupid american tax..
That's one reason I hate US tourneys. All that good money being taken out of the poker economy and being wasted on the US gov't., -- rather than recycled into the poker economy and being spent on hookers, and BDSM toys.
Way to completely miss the point
I called in yesterday to reserve my seat and there was one spot left...looks like a sell out which is the norm for these tournies.
This will be my first Blue Heron tourney in 2 years....I figure it is the same caliber of play that I am used too...hopefully I can survive a bit
Looks like I won't be able to do Seneca, but I should be able to do Turning Stone. I hope to break my Turning Stone losing streak... one time...
Cheers guys.
You deserve to win with all this effort! Most guys just show up.
Four Canadians made it to the money of the $2,500 Venetian Deep Stack Extravaganza, including Steve Paul-Ambrose.
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