2 pair on flop, out of position
Curious to hear how people would play this hand:
$5/5 NL game, fairly loose
In small blind with J7 offsuit, no raise, 5 people in
Flop = AJ7 (2 spades)
Turn = K of spades
River = 8 of spades
What did I do?
I checked the flop hoping for a check-raise and to end the hand there, but nobody bet. When the board showed 3 spades on the turn (and a possible straight) I checked as well, no bets. On the river there was now 4 spades (I didn't have any) and 2 straights, it was checked by everyone.
Winner of the hand was a KQ with 1 spade, someone else showed an Ace.
$5/5 NL game, fairly loose
In small blind with J7 offsuit, no raise, 5 people in
Flop = AJ7 (2 spades)
Turn = K of spades
River = 8 of spades
What did I do?
I checked the flop hoping for a check-raise and to end the hand there, but nobody bet. When the board showed 3 spades on the turn (and a possible straight) I checked as well, no bets. On the river there was now 4 spades (I didn't have any) and 2 straights, it was checked by everyone.
Winner of the hand was a KQ with 1 spade, someone else showed an Ace.
Comments
pf - fold J7off. 67off or even 97off is much better. J7off is trash.
flop - bet into loose players, always and bet pot.
turn - this is where stack size is important. With deep stacks, I probably slow down here.
river - damn check/call up to a half pot bet.
Edit: The guy with A checking the flop and guy with pair of Ks with flush draw checking the turn would make this a loose passive table. Make these guys your new poker buddies.
You flopped two pair on a draw heavy board... bet out
You have bottom two pair which can easily be counterfeited bet out
You didn't and lost... shoulda bet
Mark
No need to fold pf as already posted $5 blind. Otherwise, agree, these cards are definitely a fold pre-flop.
exactly. bottom two pair = bet the flop. chances of you improving = highly unlikely. chances of someone sucking out = highly likely. bet it and bet it big (around 3/4 to pot size).
and here's another prime example of what i was referring to in my other post earlier today (which you felt compelled to comment on). how about some constructive criticism or comments instead of the sarcastic gibes?
constructive criticism.... I think you are referring to another site.
yeah, i'm starting to think you're right. guess that's my bad.
I find winning players usually have a positive frame of mind so this might explain a lot of things. Bad day at the table = bad attitude towards the game.
It's not a saracstic 'gibe', you ruin the conversation when you tell everyone the board cards before you get to your logic.
But seriously, if you want hugs, get a girlfriend.
2/5 with j7o i complete for sure...every time, always, for ever...i complete with the cut card and a deuce as well
wow...wow...
it's almost impossible for you to write anything in this forum without berating someone, isn't it? grats, you got me good! (again, note the sarcasm)
Only the people I don't respect.
The forum is not your grandmother's house. You may not always be greeted with a kiss on the cheek and a plate of cookies. BBC's comments make sense(almost every time) if you're willing to view them from a "thinking" perspective. If you insist on "feeling" every single thing you are going to have a pretty tough time out there in the real world.
does anyone read anything on this forum? or do you just not understand english? i never sad BBC Z was wrong about anything. just said he's not nice to people. and this is a poker forum in which we are trying to help each other and better learn the game of poker. i do not equate "life" with a random poker forum, so i have no idea what you are referring to.
pokerJAH - Good points. I guess a key piece of missing info is that I had just won a HUGE pot the hand before, was stuck large, and didn't want to loose any chips. I was happy to check raise and take it down there, or check this hand down (or fold on turn / river) .... I was only commited for my blind and normally wouldn't play J7.
Pantsonfire - thanks as well. Very true about hands, I agree. As clarified since it was a small blind and I checked
DrTyore - yup. Hence wanting to hear opinions from others.
BBC Z - you suck, blah blah blah.
I like this play as you make the other players pay for another card. I hate 2 pair, so I would probably try and end it here.
My head just exploded.