KK push on suited flop?

ralphthemouse

okay so this happened the other night at one of the home games i host every once in a while.
we are all friends and we generally all know how each other play
this particular opponent is one of the better players at the table...probably between loose-aggresive and tight-aggresive.

so about 15 hands into our sng (chipstacks are fairly average - approx. 1000) i get KK on the button and raise to 30 (3x the BB). sb folds, and bb raises 70 to 100.

this is by far the biggest raise so far in the game so i figured him for a pp>7 or AJ-AK, more likely a pp though. i call.

flop comes 8 4 2 or something, all diamonds.

i have the king of diamonds. i figured i either had top pair with best draw, top pair with a worse draw (but best hand at the moment - against A of diamonds), or at worst best draw (i didnt put him on AA).

so i push. he thinks for a while, and calls grudgingly with T9d, thinking i had a higher flush or somehting.

i get no help, and im out

i have 2 questions:
should i have pushed preflop (for the pot of approx 200)?
was the flop bet going overboard (i thought it was, but i was hoping hed have QQ or something)?

thanks,

mike

Dozah

should have pushed all in pre flop when he came over top of you

ralphthemouse

i figured him to be dominated in some way or another, but i also didnt want to risk everything in case he spikes an ace, so i opted to slowplay.

i think the more interesting play is the one on the flop..what would you guys do (on the flop)?

Pigga

in a home game last night a friend of mine tried to slowplay KK.....it didnt pay off to say the least, he is a very agressive player too...

blinds are 25-50 and i got J9 SOOTED (diamonds, but not important)
i was on the button and it was just 3 of us having a little sng.......he was in the big blind and raised 100, i called and as didn the big blind

the best flop came for me, JJJ.......i flopped quads
he flopped Jacks full of Kings
sb checks, BB bets 500, i call, sb fold

turn 3
bb bets 1000 (leaving him with a few hundred left), i call

river 6
bb = allin
i call

flip over my quads and eliminate him first hand of the sng


funny thing is the sng we played right before that
the first hand the board ended up 4 flushing in spades (nothing paired) and K high spade was on the board and i have the Qs in my hand and eventually we were all in and he turned over the black aces.......i guess the poker gods were paying me back from the previous tournament

Xsqueezeme

Great hand there Pigga!!!

I wouldn't really call that slow playing thou ??

Sounds like you might have been doing the slow playing.

Great hand !!!

SirWatts

Push on the flop is a good play for all the reasons you mentioned. But pushing preflop would have been much better as others have said.

Xsqueezeme

... answered your own question?? You didn't have him at AA so you should have raised him back pre-flop. You felt like you had the best hand at that time? After the flop you were drawing to the possible best hand??
If the flush came for you it would have been a great hand. It didn't and now you wonder how you could have won with the KK pair instead of the flush? The answer I think was pre-flop when you thought you had the BEST hand!
Raise it !
Good Luck

ralphthemouse

thanks for the comments.

its seems that i got greedy trying to slowplay b4 the flop and tried to 'get it back' once i saw the dangerous flop.

Dave Scharf

With KK I am thinking: "How do I get all of his chips?" If I have him as the sort of player who will call my all-in move pre-flop then I move in. If not, then I want him to hit a piece of the flop so I can get it all. You got unlucky, that's all.

Munchkin5

Dave
Can you ckeck out my thread in the general poker talk, very similar question but in a cash game hand. Really want to improve my preflop play on this. Thanks