Is this bad online etiquette?

grazztgrazzt
in Online Poker
Playing in a mtt, just lost 1/2 stack all preflop when 33 rivered a 3 against my qq. Next hand I get qq again (go figure), I make a 3x bb raise, guy beside me goes all in, and the its all folded to me. I type in "qq again, watch me lose" before calling, then I hit the call button (putting me all in). Its against AA, and i hit a q on the flop to win the hand. People were complaining that I talked about my hand as the hand was still in play. I can see their point, but then again, its just me left, I either fold or call an all in. And its not like I can see their facial reaction or they can see mine. And no, I wouldnt do this in b&m.

I probably wont do it again, but I was mad that my queens got sucked out, and I got them the next hand.

Comments?

(and the previous hand before the first queens, 99 flopped quad 9's against KK, seems like its the underdogs day today)

Comments

  • TilterTilter
    I think it was okay. You were last to call.
  • Don CarlitoDon Carlito
    Well @ PokerStars during tourney play you're muted when a person is "all-in". Am guessing you didn't play @ Stars however if everyone folded and there was noone else in "play" you can say whatever you want.


    That's just my opinion...what if you were bluffing and told him you had AA just to get a reaction? would people be upset if you didn't have AA?
  • TilterTilter
    How would he react online though, so no problem. But if this were live, I think that it would be a no no.
  • ScottyZScottyZ
    It's possible that chat was still enabled because the AA is not necessarily all-in at this point.

    This is not so much bad etiquette as angle shooting. You are not allowed to say what your hole cards are since this might cause a reaction from your opponent. It doesn't matter if it's B&M or online, or if it's heads-up with you last to act.

    ScottyZ
  • grazztgrazzt
    It wasnt poker stars, so the chat wasnt muted. And I dont plan on doing it again. Just happened to be on tilt and felt like dissing my queens before the flop came.

    Thanks for the comments.
  • ScottyZScottyZ
    ScottyZ wrote:
    This is not so much bad etiquette as angle shooting.

    Also, by this, I didn't mean it to sound like I thought that you *were* shooting an angle (it doesn't sound like you were)--- just that this might have been along the lines of what your opponents who complained to you might have been thinking. And I was trying to describe the general reason that players are not allowed to talk about their exact hole cards.

    ScottyZ
  • Don CarlitoDon Carlito
    You are not allowed to say what your hole cards are since this might cause a reaction from your opponent.

    I've actually seen this many times @ Stars, and less frequently at the GBH mini Tourneys.

    Why wouldn't you want to get a reaction from another player? I think the school of thought favours your argument however I even remember a Pro doing this at one the Final tables of the WPT (he's the guy that tosses his chips in the air)

    ...I was trying to describe the general reason that players are not allowed to talk about their exact hole cards.

    What if you're bluffing? can you say you have pocket rockets when all you are holding is an 82 offsuit?
  • ScottyZScottyZ
    Why wouldn't you want to get a reaction from another player?

    Sure, you might *want* to get a reaction. This doesn't make not talking about your hole cards a non-rule.

    By all means, if you like this kind of thing in your home games, talking about your hole cards can be whatever house rule you like.

    There are more reasons still why talking about--or worse showing--your hole cards should not (and normally is not) allowed in tournaments. (In cash games, it's a bit more of a grey area.)

    1. It aids collusion if the hand is still multi-way when the cards are discussed/shown.

    2. In any situation (heads-up or multi-way) you may put the opponents who are not in the hand at an unfair advantage.

    Here's an example from a satelitte tournament. 8 places paid, 9 players remain. Chip leader has AA pre-flop and moves all-in. Folded to the 2nd place in chips (say he has 1 chip less than the chip leader) player who has KK on the BB and is taking considering calling since the chip leader has moved all-in the previous 6 hands in a row. The chip leader says "I have pocket Aces." The chip leader has also truthfully stated what his hole cards were throughout the entire satelitte.

    (I know this is an outrageous example, but I want people to get the main idea instead of focussing on the "The chip leader could be lying" aspect.)

    Talking about the hole cards here puts the rest of the table at a big disadvantage, since everyone at the table who is not in the hand would like to see the 2nd chip leader call (regardless of their hole cards actually).
    ...I even remember a Pro doing this at one the Final tables of the WPT

    I wouldn't suggest the WPT or WSOP as a reference guide for proper poker rules and rules enforcement. :)

    ScottyZ
  • The HawkThe Hawk
    at stars there software allows weaker hands to win.
  • ScottyZScottyZ
    The Hawk wrote:
    at stars there software allows weaker hands to win.

    Which, as we all know, is impossible in poker.

    ScottyZ
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