In a little over a year, the wife's car is paid for. Her Cobalt is one of the top-10 cost efficient cars in Canada. After that, the mini-van is on borrowed time. I'm replacing it with a ZENN car. Current model tops out 45km/h so it's not going to be anything other than a local runabout, which is all we need. Also, by 2009, they hope to have one that'll go 100+. For $20,000 USD for a 2008 model, it's very attractive. If you spend an average of $40.00 a week on gas, you save $2,000 a year on gas. Recharge in 8 hours off of house current outlets. I like the green one.
Recharge in 8 hours off of house current outlets. I like the green one.
You realize that electricity isn't magic, right?
In this part of the country it usually means coal burning power plants. Pure electric cars are great when it's 10c/Kwh, but when everybody's got one, either you won't be able to breath or you won't be able to keep your fridge plugged in.
1) We will start to realize the true cost of energy and will be forced to become more efficient rather then the slothful wasteful pigs of the earth we are viewed as in the rest of the world now
2) This will stop the urban sprawl we have been experiancing over the last 15 years. There will be a further focus on the cores of our city rather then the drive up supercenters that is destroying our communities
3) Food prices will reflect actual costs as opposed to the mass production and third world exploration model now that allows us to have vegatables from Ecuador cheaper then we can grow them locally - providing LOCAL fair economies rather then a model that is dependent on third world explotation (look at the riots now!)
- this will extend to textiles, durable goods and white goods
4) This will force us to inovate and develop solar energy and make it more efficient - look at Germany they have 2EU gas a litre (about $4 litre CDN) and this has forced them to become a world leader in alternative energy and sustainable living which is funded and supported by government initiatives in contrast to North America's Governmental support for development and perpetuation of the fossil fuel industry. This development in Germany is driving their economy and will be the next wave of world economies much like ours has been dependent on the automobile.
Not to mention sustainable housing densities, the restriction of plastic as a commodity, and more people telecommuting for online poker
Yes... $5 litre gas is coming and won't it be great?
In this part of the country it usually means coal burning power plants. Pure electric cars are great when it's 10c/Kwh, but when everybody's got one, either you won't be able to breath or you won't be able to keep your fridge plugged in.
Coal will phase out as nuclear is ramped up. The Liberals promised to close the coal plants, so I have no concerns.
Okay, the second sentence is snark, but the first is serious. Nuclear will supplant coal, probably before I need to replace the battery in my ZENN. Breathe easy, Morty.
Coal will phase out as nuclear is ramped up. The Liberals promised to close the coal plants, so I have no concerns.
Okay, the second sentence is snark, but the first is serious. Nuclear will supplant coal, probably before I need to replace the battery in my ZENN. Breathe easy, Morty.
2 years ago there had not been a new nuclear plant built in North America in the last 25 years.
It takes a long time to bring a nuclear plant online.
Per BTU coal is six times cheaper than nuclear.
Six times more expensive to make electricity.
Of course the health disaster that is coal isn't factored into that number.
Nor the cost/problem of what to do with the nuclear waste for the next 500,000 years.
Turn the waste into "bricks" and store it in remote locations away from population centres. The technology has existed to do this since the 60's, and these days you could use old shipping containers (with some modification) for final storage. The problem lies more in the PR realm than the engineering. And the REALLY bad stuff has a much shorter shelf life than 500,000 years. With most radiologicals, the worse the effects, the shorter the half life, or so I've always read. Nuclear WILL replace coal. Even the greenies will go for it if it gets Nanticoke shut down.
We are worried about filling our gas tanks in N. A. because we have, for the most part, conquered the issue of being able to fill OUR stomachs. Not being able to fill our gas tanks will make it LESS LIKELY (macro) economically/aid-wise that we will be able to help fill THEIR stomachs as well. Globalization is not just a hard word to spell.
Coal will phase out as nuclear is ramped up. The Liberals promised to close the coal plants, so I have no concerns.
Okay, the second sentence is snark, but the first is serious. Nuclear will supplant coal, probably before I need to replace the battery in my ZENN. Breathe easy, Morty.
Dude...
In order for nuclear to replace our energy needs that are currently met by fossil fuels we would need to have 10,000 nuclear reactors online.
If we did that, then we would only have enough uranium for a year and a half supply.
Not being able to fill our gas tanks will make it LESS LIKELY (macro) economically/aid-wise that we will be able to help fill THEIR stomachs as well. Globalization is not just a hard word to spell.
We are 'helping' by converting food producing land into biofuel producing land.
In order for nuclear to replace our energy needs that are currently met by fossil fuels we would need to have 10,000 nuclear reactors online.
If we did that, then we would only have enough uranium for a year and a half supply.
Maybe you should get a really fast bicycle.
Darlington's 4 units can provide 20% of the province's electricity requirements. The math on that works out to be considerably less than needing 10k reactor facilities. Unless you were going for a global need, and even then I think you'd be a tad high. Also, I am not advocating nuclear as the sole answer, merely one of the solutions to coal/fossil. There are ample other ways to heat and cool facilities, not to mention provide electricity. And I'm to old for a bike, hence my eventual purchase of a ZENN. And yes, I am fully aware that electrical prices will be following gas prices in the not so distant future. Still better than an SUV, though.
You're right. Why use globalization when other easier words to spell are available.
Such as;
Slavery,
Child Labour,
Robbery,
Extortion
I think closer examination of the countries where that is present will find them to be based less on capitalism/democracy, and more on socialism/totalitarianism.
Darlington's 4 units can provide 20% of the province's electricity requirements. The math on that works out to be considerably less than needing 10k reactor facilities.
Dude, that is residential energy needs. Look at all the Natural Gas, Hog fuel and Mixed (coal/hog fuel/gas) power plants that are used for factory energy.
Then think about the expanding energy needs that electric cars would need.
Continuing your car expectations is not a realistic model in the long term. We need to get out of the 'I can drive anywhere' mentality.
Except that our entire infrastructure has been built on the "I can drive anywhere" model. Get back to me when you come up with a cost-effective way to completely re-design ALL of our major urban areas, okay? This is not Europe, where the culture has always been more receptive to the collectivism behind mass transit, and centralized planning. Any who, I'm going to cook supper now. We'll talk (type?) more, I'm sure.
I'm pretty sure the auto companies bought most the rail-transit companies in the '20s. Then the fckers petitioned the government to build miles upon miles of roads, thus pretty much marring us to cars and hiways. Burn in hell Henry Ford!
I'm going out East in a few weeks. I'll fly because it's basically the same price as driving, but 4x faster.
Gas WILL be $1.50/L this summer. We just have to suck it up and get a helmet. Or something that runs on diesel
Gas WILL be $1.50/L this summer. We just have to suck it up and get a helmet. Or something that runs on diesel
Last time I looked, diesel was no longer the bargain it used to be, price-wise. The benefit gained from the gas mileage superiority is rapidly being whittled away.
Diesel's up to $1.30 vs the $1.24 I saw gas at today... but my car sips at about 4L / 100 km, while an average mid-size car goes 8-12L / 100km... then there's the Hummer fuckers that probably idle at 36...
Last time I looked, diesel was no longer the bargain it used to be, price-wise. The benefit gained from the gas mileage superiority is rapidly being whittled away.
If I go easy with my diesel truck, I can get 800K on a single tank.
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Have to admit, right now my investments are heavily skewed towards energy and resources
Problem solved.
Next question?
Oh, did I mention there was another fella in there with me?
He brought 3 and I had 2
Mark
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You realize that electricity isn't magic, right?
In this part of the country it usually means coal burning power plants. Pure electric cars are great when it's 10c/Kwh, but when everybody's got one, either you won't be able to breath or you won't be able to keep your fridge plugged in.
That is great because;
1) We will start to realize the true cost of energy and will be forced to become more efficient rather then the slothful wasteful pigs of the earth we are viewed as in the rest of the world now
2) This will stop the urban sprawl we have been experiancing over the last 15 years. There will be a further focus on the cores of our city rather then the drive up supercenters that is destroying our communities
3) Food prices will reflect actual costs as opposed to the mass production and third world exploration model now that allows us to have vegatables from Ecuador cheaper then we can grow them locally - providing LOCAL fair economies rather then a model that is dependent on third world explotation (look at the riots now!)
- this will extend to textiles, durable goods and white goods
4) This will force us to inovate and develop solar energy and make it more efficient - look at Germany they have 2EU gas a litre (about $4 litre CDN) and this has forced them to become a world leader in alternative energy and sustainable living which is funded and supported by government initiatives in contrast to North America's Governmental support for development and perpetuation of the fossil fuel industry. This development in Germany is driving their economy and will be the next wave of world economies much like ours has been dependent on the automobile.
Not to mention sustainable housing densities, the restriction of plastic as a commodity, and more people telecommuting for online poker
Yes... $5 litre gas is coming and won't it be great?
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Isn't that implied?
Coal will phase out as nuclear is ramped up. The Liberals promised to close the coal plants, so I have no concerns.
Okay, the second sentence is snark, but the first is serious. Nuclear will supplant coal, probably before I need to replace the battery in my ZENN. Breathe easy, Morty.
2 years ago there had not been a new nuclear plant built in North America in the last 25 years.
It takes a long time to bring a nuclear plant online.
Per BTU coal is six times cheaper than nuclear.
Six times more expensive to make electricity.
Of course the health disaster that is coal isn't factored into that number.
Nor the cost/problem of what to do with the nuclear waste for the next 500,000 years.
Dude...
In order for nuclear to replace our energy needs that are currently met by fossil fuels we would need to have 10,000 nuclear reactors online.
If we did that, then we would only have enough uranium for a year and a half supply.
Maybe you should get a really fast bicycle.
You're right. Why use globalization when other easier words to spell are available.
Such as;
Slavery,
Child Labour,
Robbery,
Extortion
We are 'helping' by converting food producing land into biofuel producing land.
I think closer examination of the countries where that is present will find them to be based less on capitalism/democracy, and more on socialism/totalitarianism.
???
Dude, that is residential energy needs. Look at all the Natural Gas, Hog fuel and Mixed (coal/hog fuel/gas) power plants that are used for factory energy.
Then think about the expanding energy needs that electric cars would need.
Continuing your car expectations is not a realistic model in the long term. We need to get out of the 'I can drive anywhere' mentality.
I'm going out East in a few weeks. I'll fly because it's basically the same price as driving, but 4x faster.
Gas WILL be $1.50/L this summer. We just have to suck it up and get a helmet. Or something that runs on diesel
Diesel's up to $1.30 vs the $1.24 I saw gas at today... but my car sips at about 4L / 100 km, while an average mid-size car goes 8-12L / 100km... then there's the Hummer fuckers that probably idle at 36...
Mark
If I go easy with my diesel truck, I can get 800K on a single tank.
Right.. you're not a reg...
Smart car baby!
Mark