Did i have the odds to make this call
This hand resulted in some discussion at the table after it happened. I wanted to make sure i'm right to make the calling the bet on the flop.
Please note that i was in the big blind ... and they were soooooooooooooted
I figured them for trying to protect big pairs and at worst (for me) possibly a set.
If i was right and it was pairs with good kickers, i had the remaining 9 clubs, 2 fives and 3 eights all as outs for me.
In terms of not betting the river, that was a mistake on my part
Hand #2748188-9856 at Ballynahinch ($1/$2 Hold'em)
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Started at 07/Oct/04 16:38:41
Kohlhaas is at seat 0 with $62.25.
cruncher99 is at seat 1 with $54.25.
madmonk is at seat 2 with $13.75.
Chugsalot is at seat 3 with $145.75.
hip thruster is at seat 4 with $82.50.
bigmac366 is at seat 5 with $62.75.
dr_duke is at seat 6 with $92.25.
Gigglebyte is at seat 7 with $93.
gjensen410 is at seat 8 with $89.75.
rjv is at seat 9 with $331.25.
The button is at seat 1.
madmonk posts the small blind of $.50.
Chugsalot posts the big blind of $1.
Kohlhaas: -- --
cruncher99: -- --
madmonk: -- --
Chugsalot: 8c 5c
hip thruster: -- --
bigmac366: -- --
dr_duke: -- --
Gigglebyte: -- --
gjensen410: -- --
rjv: -- --
Pre-flop:
hip thruster calls. bigmac366 folds. dr_duke calls.
Gigglebyte calls. gjensen410 raises to $2. rjv
folds. Kohlhaas folds. cruncher99 folds. madmonk
calls. Chugsalot calls. hip thruster calls.
dr_duke calls. Gigglebyte calls.
Flop (board: Qc 7c 5s):
madmonk bets $1. Chugsalot calls. hip thruster
folds. dr_duke calls. Gigglebyte calls.
gjensen410 raises to $2. madmonk re-raises to $3.
Chugsalot calls. dr_duke calls. Gigglebyte folds.
gjensen410 calls.
Turn (board: Qc 7c 5s Jh):
madmonk bets $2. Chugsalot calls. dr_duke calls.
gjensen410 calls.
River (board: Qc 7c 5s Jh 9c):
madmonk bets $2. Chugsalot calls. dr_duke folds.
gjensen410 calls.
Showdown:
madmonk shows Qs As.
madmonk has Qs As Qc Jh 9c: a pair of queens.
Chugsalot shows 8c 5c.
Chugsalot has 8c 5c Qc 7c 9c: flush, queen high.
gjensen410 mucks cards.
(gjensen410 has Kh Ks.)
Hand #2748188-9856 Summary:
$1 is raked from a pot of $39.
Chugsalot wins $38 with flush, queen high.
Please note that i was in the big blind ... and they were soooooooooooooted
I figured them for trying to protect big pairs and at worst (for me) possibly a set.
If i was right and it was pairs with good kickers, i had the remaining 9 clubs, 2 fives and 3 eights all as outs for me.
In terms of not betting the river, that was a mistake on my part
Hand #2748188-9856 at Ballynahinch ($1/$2 Hold'em)
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Started at 07/Oct/04 16:38:41
Kohlhaas is at seat 0 with $62.25.
cruncher99 is at seat 1 with $54.25.
madmonk is at seat 2 with $13.75.
Chugsalot is at seat 3 with $145.75.
hip thruster is at seat 4 with $82.50.
bigmac366 is at seat 5 with $62.75.
dr_duke is at seat 6 with $92.25.
Gigglebyte is at seat 7 with $93.
gjensen410 is at seat 8 with $89.75.
rjv is at seat 9 with $331.25.
The button is at seat 1.
madmonk posts the small blind of $.50.
Chugsalot posts the big blind of $1.
Kohlhaas: -- --
cruncher99: -- --
madmonk: -- --
Chugsalot: 8c 5c
hip thruster: -- --
bigmac366: -- --
dr_duke: -- --
Gigglebyte: -- --
gjensen410: -- --
rjv: -- --
Pre-flop:
hip thruster calls. bigmac366 folds. dr_duke calls.
Gigglebyte calls. gjensen410 raises to $2. rjv
folds. Kohlhaas folds. cruncher99 folds. madmonk
calls. Chugsalot calls. hip thruster calls.
dr_duke calls. Gigglebyte calls.
Flop (board: Qc 7c 5s):
madmonk bets $1. Chugsalot calls. hip thruster
folds. dr_duke calls. Gigglebyte calls.
gjensen410 raises to $2. madmonk re-raises to $3.
Chugsalot calls. dr_duke calls. Gigglebyte folds.
gjensen410 calls.
Turn (board: Qc 7c 5s Jh):
madmonk bets $2. Chugsalot calls. dr_duke calls.
gjensen410 calls.
River (board: Qc 7c 5s Jh 9c):
madmonk bets $2. Chugsalot calls. dr_duke folds.
gjensen410 calls.
Showdown:
madmonk shows Qs As.
madmonk has Qs As Qc Jh 9c: a pair of queens.
Chugsalot shows 8c 5c.
Chugsalot has 8c 5c Qc 7c 9c: flush, queen high.
gjensen410 mucks cards.
(gjensen410 has Kh Ks.)
Hand #2748188-9856 Summary:
$1 is raked from a pot of $39.
Chugsalot wins $38 with flush, queen high.
Comments
Preflop: I might dump this pre flop or i might keep it but some people like to defend blinds i think this is sort of up to you as far as odds hard to tell at that point
So now there is 12$ in the pot and 6 players
you had more than enough odds by far to call the bet after the flop, and by the time it gets back to you its 2 bucks more for a pot of 20$ so you still have more then enough odds to draw (assuming you think your flush will be best one)
So now 25 bucks in the pot 4 players
By the turn not only do you have enough odds to call the flush draw, but you could even call for an inside str8 draw
When he bets the river I raise because if this whole time you have been assuming your flush would be a winner this is the time to make him pay.
So, yes you had more than enough odds the whole way ...the only question is play it pre flop (i dunno answer but i probably would have)....and why not raise the river.
On the flop, I would raise. Bottom pair and a flush draw is an excellent flop for you. You'd also like to get singleton clubs out of the hand before they get the chance to pick up their backdoor flush draw. You have roughly a 50% chance to improve to 2 pair or better by the river.
On the turn, I would check and/or call when the blank hits.
Raise the river for value. The pot is big, and the players still to act behind you are more likely than usual to call two bets cold because of the big pot. I'd be inclined to make it 4 bets if madmonk re-raises, but probably not if one of the other players did (since either of their betting pattern would suggest possibly also being on a draw).
ScottyZ