What do you do here?

Davis08Davis08
in Analyze My Hand
Hand T4-63888164-5, Started at 3/26/2008 12:09 AM (EDT)
Table 'Petaluma': 20-20 No Limit HE (TournamentChips)
Seat 0: OpelKadet (1,180 in chips)
Seat 4: tof741 (1,510 in chips) (on the button)
Seat 5: Antti 83 (1,480 in chips)
Seat 6: tornado29 (1,470 in chips)
Seat 9: x davis08 (1,860 in chips)
*** Blind Bet Round *** :
Antti 83 : Post Blind (10)
tornado29 : Post Blind (20)
Dealt to x davis08: Jd
Dealt to x davis08: Jc
*** Pre-Flop *** :
x davis08 : Bet (80)
OpelKadet : Fold
tof741 : Fold
Antti 83 : Fold
tornado29 : Raise (120)
x davis08 : Call (60)
*** Flop *** : 2c 7s 3d
tornado29 : Bet (1,330)
tornado29 : All In (1,330)
x davis08 : Fold
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: 1,620 | Rake: 0
Board: [ 2c 7s 3d ]
OpelKadet lost 0
tof741 lost 0
Antti 83 lost 10
tornado29 bet 1,470, collected 1,620, net 150
x davis08 lost 140

Comments

  • compueasecompuease Admin
    re-raise pre-flop, say to 250-300, if he calls, likely not on AA, KK or QQ. If he re-raises you pre-flop, make your decision then, not postflop. By just calling his min raise preflop, you haven't defined his hand at all. All of this assumes no real read on villain.
  • Davis08Davis08
    that makes sense thanks compuease
  • compueasecompuease Admin
    Davis08 wrote: »
    that makes sense thanks compuease
    YVW... lol... Easy for me to say, not necessarily easy to do....
  • g2g2
    It depends on why you flatted his reraise preflop. If you only called his reraise preflop because you thought you were behind, then fold since you haven't improved. On the other hand, if you only called his reraise preflop because you were trapping with what you thought is the best hand, then call since it most likely is still the best hand.

    Agreed with compuease re-reraise preflop. Depending on yours and his table image and history I'd probably just jam.

    /g2
  • westside8westside8
    From HH it looks like he min-raised you PF...stick another raise in there PF...and I would probably get it AI on this flop (assuming this is a SnG with standard payout of top 3? - this affects a few things too)
  • GrahamGraham
    I posted a similar hand to this a while ago. Like the others have said, I realized I should have re-raised pre-flop. In this case you probably have to fold unless the player is just a complete maniac, you may be alright.
  • _obv__obv_
    without reads i think you played it fine... i think you see AA/KK a lot of the time with the min 3 bet then massive overshove on a dry flop
  • Davis08Davis08
    westside8 wrote: »
    From HH it looks like he min-raised you PF...stick another raise in there PF...and I would probably get it AI on this flop (assuming this is a SnG with standard payout of top 3? - this affects a few things too)

    It was one of Chan's 5 player SnG top 2 paid. I can see how if i got flat called if i re-reraised then this would be a good flop for me.
  • STR82ACESTR82ACE
    god I hate JJ!!

    Had to fold in my opinion. Think you should raised preflop to see where your opponent was in strength. If he called, you're most likely good...if he re raises, I would consider folding preflop.
  • JohnnieHJohnnieH
    Buy more info preflop with a re-raise.
  • BBC ZBBC Z
    If you assume that Villian is a reasonable player, he has no reason to shove that dry dusty board for like 10x pot with a made hand. He had KJ+.
  • Davis08Davis08
    BBC Z wrote: »
    If you assume that Villian is a reasonable player, he has no reason to shove that dry dusty board for like 10x pot with a made hand. He had KJ+.
    i dont know if we CAN assume he is a reasonable player with a move like that.
  • BBC ZBBC Z
    i dont know if we CAN assume he is a reasonable player with a move like that.

    Yer the fkin OP, you tell me. Post a hand with no context, get an answer with no context.
  • Davis08Davis08
    BBC Z wrote: »
    Yer the fkin OP, you tell me. Post a hand with no context, get an answer with no context.

    are you flippin about somethin for some reason? i was just making a statement.
  • BBC ZBBC Z
    Davis08 wrote: »
    are you flippin about somethin for some reason? i was just making a statement.

    And I responded with a statement that your thread sucks balls.
  • Davis08Davis08
    BBC Z wrote: »
    And I responded with a statement that your thread sucks balls.

    ohhh does it? sorry bout that. i got something out of it tho. you dont have to respond if you dont like the thread.
  • STR82ACESTR82ACE
    I think what BBC is eluding to is the missing player read information on the villian. It can change the course of action for you to make, that's all.
  • _obv__obv_
    STR82ACE wrote: »
    I think what BBC is eluding to is the missing player read information on the villian. It can change the course of action for you to make, that's all.

    Seeing as the blinds are 10/20 and looking at the stack sizes i would imagine this is one of the first few hands of the tourney so i dont think any real reads would be possible
  • g2g2
    _obv_ wrote: »
    Seeing as the blinds are 10/20 and looking at the stack sizes i would imagine this is one of the first few hands of the tourney so i dont think any real reads would be possible
    All the more reason to re-reraise preflop.

    And for the record I agree with BBC Z, we can only make assumptions about the villain since no information was posted about him.

    /g2
  • _obv__obv_
    i think having no reads is all the more reason not to get it in pre with JJ against a min 3 bet
  • g2g2
    _obv_ wrote: »
    i think having no reads is all the more reason not to get it in pre with JJ against a min 3 bet

    Min 2 bet

    /g2
  • _obv__obv_
    davis raises to 80... tornado raises to 140... min 3 bet imo
  • g2g2
    _obv_ wrote: »
    davis raises to 80...
    One bet
    _obv_ wrote: »
    tornado raises to 140...
    Two bet
    _obv_ wrote: »
    min 3 bet imo
    I count 2. Blinds posting doesn't count as a bet.

    /g2
  • Davis08Davis08
    _obv_ wrote: »
    Seeing as the blinds are 10/20 and looking at the stack sizes i would imagine this is one of the first few hands of the tourney so i dont think any real reads would be possible

    there you cleared it all up for me, thanks Watson
  • _obv__obv_
    i guess your in the minority then g2... i have never heard of anyone not calling that a 3 bet
  • Davis08Davis08
    wouldnt a raise to 240 be a 3bet here?
  • g2g2
    Davis08 wrote: »
    wouldnt a raise to 240 be a 3bet here?
    See my reply in the poll.

    /g2
  • BBC ZBBC Z
    From Limit holden pre-flop: Raise (the blind), Re-Raise, 3-bet and cap.
  • stpboystpboy
    There is no way I fold this considering what the action was UNLESS the guy is completely predictable with his 2-3 bet (lol) as having 10s+ but even then I am likely calling. I put him on AJ+ but the KJ+ was a nice read as well.

    The benefit of re-popping preflop to identify the hand strength....

    stp
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