value bet gone wrong, and i river a big hand.
Villian is loose aggressive with vpip around 4X%
did i get bluff out here?
Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
BB: $184.00
UTG: $100.05
Hero (UTG+1): $110.55
MP1: $170.20
MP2: $35.00
CO: $102.60
BTN: $11.05
SB: $50.00
Pre Flop: Hero is UTG+1 with 7
7
1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, 5 folds, BB calls $2.50
Flop: ($7.50) A
2 9(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB calls $5
Turn: ($17.50) 6
(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks
River: ($17.50) 7(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $10, BB raises to $38, Hero ?????
i have almost exactly the same hand, except with straight.
river set of 9, and on a small pot, endup losing 140BB....
only possible straight is with 26.
did i get bluff out here?
Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
BB: $184.00
UTG: $100.05
Hero (UTG+1): $110.55
MP1: $170.20
MP2: $35.00
CO: $102.60
BTN: $11.05
SB: $50.00
Pre Flop: Hero is UTG+1 with 7
71 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, 5 folds, BB calls $2.50
Flop: ($7.50) A
2 9(2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB calls $5
Turn: ($17.50) 6
(2 players)BB checks, Hero checks
River: ($17.50) 7
(2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $10, BB raises to $38, Hero ?????
i have almost exactly the same hand, except with straight.
river set of 9, and on a small pot, endup losing 140BB....
only possible straight is with 26.
Comments
/g2
Generally in this spot I bet the flop, bet the turn and them check the river (folding to a lead-out).
but again a callingstation?
he could have flush draw, straight draw small A, 9 even 2.
he ain't folding that is for sure
i don't like my equity on this.
I like when people call my bets for their draws.. because I don't usually give them the odds...
If he's a calling station, and you figure him for a draw, bet, and bet hard... if he calls, great!! if he hits.. well, that sucks... but still... you get your money in good more often than not, you'll be a winning player.
Mark
Let's say the flop came down
Ah 7h 2d
- You bet and he called
Turn comes : 6s
- Let's say you bet and he calls again
River comes: 9h
How does it play out now?
Probably should have checked behind him.. I know I hate it too, but allowing him to re-pop it here hurts too much.
Mark
i am not sure
i check on the turn.
because i don't want to play a big pot for with a relative weak hand on that flop.
if he lead out on the river, i can call, and see his bluff or flush.
if i bet the turn. then with scary river, he push all-in. and i can't call it.
Mark
Against normal players 2/3 pot will tell you some info....
Against a LAG 2/3 bet size with big implied odds of about 20 to one tells you .... he has 2 cards...
You can either ... not c-bet here or c-bet more... but I don't like the 2/3 bet size.
I guess you decided you can get a cheap showdown... Call $28 to see a pot of $65.50?
Will you the LAG show a non-flush/straight hand often enough to win here? Will he check raise a worse hand 1 time in about 3?
I'd check out the LAG's Won at Showdown and river check raise frequencies.
If it looks like he likes to make moves then I'd call. If he doesn't make moves/play tricky, then at this level I'm folding to the river scare card check raise. I know that this is an easily exploitable play but I'm not expecting even LAG's to check raise bluff without some evidence that they play tricky.
My guess is here you should fold, but it's very player dependent... He's a 4X% vpip but how aggressive is he on the river?
i did river a set, so trying to get some value.
i was expect him to lead out on the river with flush, since i did check the turn.
this is mistake i'll learn, not to bet the river if i can't call the raise.
my mind goes completed blank
flush or bluff is only thing on my mind.
i should of use the time to check his record.
my thought process is pretty poor right there, I have to improve on that.
Flop is good. You should be turning up with AK or AQ here from early position tons so the C-Bet is good a high % of the time.
Nothing wrong with checking the turn for pot control/giving-up.
Value bet river is good. There are tons of worse hands that will call your value bet in this spot so make some money for the love of God.
As for calling the check/raise....Guys who have VPIP of over 40% know how to steal pots. He knows you didn't open from EP with 85 or 8T, you likely don't have JThh so the only possible hand that he might think you could have that can call his bet is something like KQhh and I don't even know...do you full ring nits raise KQ suited in EP?
Long story short, it is a pretty good spot for a river check/raise bluff for a laggy player. I think you turn up with the best hand here a ton.