so i heard, but doable?

ChuckielandChuckieland
in No Limit / Pot Limit Holdem
i was in this interest conversation with this self claim pro.
me: wow, you must won alot.
Pro: not really, i don't really care about winning or losing.
me:?
Pro: i'm a rakeback pro.
me: u not interest improving your game, so you can win more plus rakeback.
Pro: what's the point? i barely know poker.
me: oooh...but you are a pro.
Pro: that just mean i make good living out of it.
me: it hard to win, most player lose.
pro: they all idiot, i don't know poker, and i can make a living.
me: just by rakeback, i found that hard to believe.
pro: you just have to know the trick.
he went on and explain the TRICK.
basically he is a shortstacker.
he'll play at 2/4 or 3/6 to maximum MGR per hand. play 16 table.
8hr per day
EP: JJ+
MP he add AK,AQ
LP he add small PP and AJs, KQs
he will push all-in preflop, and never play post flop.
rakeback
assuming 60hand per hr *16 table *8hr=7680hand.
average 1.5 FTP per hand = 11520 FTP per day
11520/9=1280 MRG per day *27%= $345 Rakeback per day.
i was wondering
if he is full of BS, or does this actually doable?
the way he play, what is he likely to win or lose?
if lose, is $345 rakeback enough to cover the lost?
what do you guys think.
i only ask, because at $345rakeback per day,that is more then my day job + poker winning per day.

Comments

  • JimmyHoJimmyHo
    I think the question for me anyways would be, how do you manage 16 tables at once? I guess with no pre-flop requirements, it might be easier. How much does this guy earn a year?
  • actyperactyper
    Yes it happens more and more now. Short stackers just hitting and running, gets annoying.
  • InsaneGuyInsaneGuy
    Interesting discussion... 16 tables you have to be a machine BUT with keyboards and some program today you can pretty much manage every table fairly easily...

    at first it could be hard but .. let's take 12 table as an exemple for a basic keyboard...

    you have a proggy that numerates your table from 1 to 12 so it's easy to see where you need to "Concentrate" (no concentration needed really, just need pos+cards) so you push F1 for table 1 follow by either F or A (fold-allin) and you have a proggy that rebuys to max table amount if you bust.

    Just get a kb with 16 keys you can press (there's some out there) and map them correctly with a proggy and you're set.

    not that complicated really...

    Now... is it really something that can turn in a profit I can't answer that question :P
  • RedingtonRedington
    ummm, I have heard of more tables for example sdeeb mutlis 20 tourneys at a time and speaks about it openly (2+2 pokercast Feb 21st I think)

    22 in monitor, pokertracker and practise

    you can read alot about the pros that FT has kicked off for using/abusing rakeback/prop deals at 2+2, they had some deals where they got $100 an hour just to sit
  • BBC ZBBC Z
    assuming 60hand per hr *16 table *8hr=7680hand.
    average 1.5 FTP per hand = 11520 FTP per day
    11520/9=1280 MRG per day *27%= $345 Rakeback per day.

    $43/hr at 100% productivity for 8 hours. If you went into the 'real' world and worked at 100% productivity for 8 hours you'd be making far more than that.
  • GrahamGraham
    "Pro: not really, i don't really care about winning or losing."

    If it is possible, I wouldn't take advice from this moron.
  • actyperactyper
    BBC Z wrote: »
    worked at 100% productivity for 8 hours

    lol as I type.
  • JimmyHoJimmyHo
    InsaneGuy wrote: »
    you have a proggy that numerates your table from 1 to 12 so it's easy to see where you need to "Concentrate" (no concentration needed really, just need pos+cards) so you push F1 for table 1 follow by either F or A (fold-allin) and you have a proggy that rebuys to max table amount if you bust.

    not sure how this works? is this a separate program running? what types of programs do this? I'm old school I guess, I just try to squeeze two tables on to my monitor at a time. Never realized this stuff existed.
  • ChuckielandChuckieland
    sorry guy, i didn't realize my english is that bad...... ><
    ok, so i use point form....
    1. Guy don't play poker. NO POST FLOP. HE OPEN PUSH ALL-IN, WHEN CARDS FILL HIS OPENNING REQUIREMENT.
    2. I don't know how much he make, since he only told me about his rakeback, but i do not know his winrate.
    i can see he play 16 table easy
    early position, JJ+ = ALL-IN
    mid position JJ+ AK, AQ = ALL-IN
    Late position: all Pocket pair, AK, AQ, AJs, KQs= all-in
    ADD: other then that, he just sit and collect rake for the rakeback.
  • compueasecompuease Admin
    I agree this guy does sound like he's just talking for the sake of talking but wonder what this strategy would do. Maybe I'll try it at the 1/2 cent tables. Maybe I'll buy-in short for say 50 cents (max is $2. I believe) and try it for a few buyins. I assume he is doing this with no raise in front of him and leaves if he doubles up? Could be an interesting experiment. At least it may piss off the rest of the table... lol
  • ChuckielandChuckieland
    compuease wrote: »
    I agree this guy does sound like he's just talking for the sake of talking but wonder what this strategy would do. Maybe I'll try it at the 1/2 cent tables. Maybe I'll buy-in short for say 50 cents (max is $2. I believe) and try it for a few buyins. I assume he is doing this with no raise in front of him and leaves if he doubles up? Could be an interesting experiment. At least it may piss off the rest of the table... lol
    i don't know if it would work at 1/2c table....as he say win/lose is not that important, so i take rakeback represent a major part of his income. so must play at dealt rake system, and at level that you get more then $1 rake pay per hand.
    i'm very temp to signup at cakepoker/crypto to try this, but i don't really want to risk $1000 to find out.....
  • actyperactyper
    Its a viable short stacking strategy. Variance is high, but you can definately profit from it. I believe even Watts was doing a bit of this in the high stakes games.
  • HobbesHobbes
    If I were to do this, it would be with a bot (which I suspect the "pro" is using).

    The strategy is so simple to program using AutoHotKeys or the infamous WinHoldem dll.


    Now programming so that you don't get caught....that's another issue.
  • ChuckielandChuckieland
    Hobbes wrote: »
    If I were to do this, it would be with a bot (which I suspect the "pro" is using).

    The strategy is so simple to program using AutoHotKeys or the infamous WinHoldem dll.


    Now programming so that you don't get caught....that's another issue.
    why must you use a program?
    can i not pay $3 an hr to my baby cousins to do this for me?.....lol
    since it's all-in preflop or folding. I don't see how this can be hard,except, it be really boring.
    anyway, i don't think my current bankroll can support 16table shortstack at 2/4 and 3/6.
    i'll keep this in mind, and do it old fashion way. grind my way up.
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