lol.. what a jerk
Hope I won't be cited in some legal documents for this one !!! lol
http://www.pokernews.com/news/2008/03/chip-leader-disqualified-wsopc-atlantic-city-prelim.htm
http://www.pokernews.com/news/2008/03/chip-leader-disqualified-wsopc-atlantic-city-prelim.htm
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But they shouldn't have removed his chips from play....
Mark
Was he breaking the rules or was he merely breaking etiquette? If it's the latter, then the TD should be fired.
Wrong. Dead wrong.
Following the directions of the tournament officials is part of most standard rules. Even if a ruling is not printed on "the wall", if the TD gives a ruling in the best interest of the tournament, along with some warnings, and it is not followed, then the TD has every right to kick the player out of the tournament.
By splashing the chips into the pot without any defined method of determining the number of chips it slows down all action at the table - a true advantage to the chip leader.
You'll notice on the big televised tournies that the players have their chips in organized stacks. Dealers and opponents should be able to tell the size of an opponents chip stack and confirm the size of a bet in a reasonable amount of time.
What if I was rainman and could tell you exactly how many chips I had in my unstacked chips? Do I still get DQd by you?
No - From the way I read this post, I read your point exactly right.
There are situations that come up in some tournaments that are not addressed by a "rulebook" per se. That is why there is a Tournament Director there - to not only give the proper rulings on things in the rulebook, but also to rule in the best interests of the tournament on situation that may come up that are not encompassed in the rulebook.
Even the written rules can be changed in the interest of fairness...
From the WSOP rules, rule 44...
...Unusual circumstances can on occasion dictate that decisions in the interest of fairness take priority over the technical rules. The floorpersons decision is final.
Once a TD has made a ruling on a situation, that is what needs to be followed. In this situation, the player had clearly been told many times that he needed to be more 'organized' in his chip stacks and not splashing chips into play when betting.
And yes - if you are rainman and start splashing the pots many times after I give you multiple warnings I would DQ you, because the bet would still have to be confirmed every time by the dealer. If the dealer just raked it in and took your word for it, then it is the dealer that should be fired.
It seems to me that the TD and staff went out of their way to warn the player many times before DQing him. If they just went and DQed him the first or second time then I would agree that they were overly harsh - but in this case it looks like the player was DELIBERATELY not listening to the tournament officials.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthread.php?t=149203