worse beat in my life
Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
SB: $105.20
Hero (BB): $174.95
UTG: $63.60
UTG+1: $161.60
UTG+2: $90.50
MP1: $145.90
MP2: $98.50
CO: $101.85
BTN: $100.00
Pre Flop: Hero is BB with Q
A
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, 2 folds, MP2 calls $1, 1 fold, BTN calls $1, SB calls $0.50, Hero raises to $7, UTG calls $6, UTG+1 calls $6, MP2 calls $6, 2 folds
Flop: ($30.00) 6 4 8
(4 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $56.60 all in, UTG+1 calls $56.60, MP2 folds, Hero folds
Turn: ($143.20) A
River: ($143.20) 3
Final Pot: $143.20
UTG shows Qh Ks (Ace King high)
UTG+1 shows 7c Kc (Ace King high)
UTG wins $140.20
(Rake: $3.00)
UTG is LAG
UTG+1 is a fish
i kind get the read that UTG is pushing with nothing, but the fish call that flop plush.
Do i have the odds here to call that?
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
SB: $105.20
Hero (BB): $174.95
UTG: $63.60
UTG+1: $161.60
UTG+2: $90.50
MP1: $145.90
MP2: $98.50
CO: $101.85
BTN: $100.00
Pre Flop: Hero is BB with Q
AUTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, 2 folds, MP2 calls $1, 1 fold, BTN calls $1, SB calls $0.50, Hero raises to $7, UTG calls $6, UTG+1 calls $6, MP2 calls $6, 2 folds
Flop: ($30.00) 6
4 8(4 players)Hero checks, UTG bets $56.60 all in, UTG+1 calls $56.60, MP2 folds, Hero folds
Turn: ($143.20) A
River: ($143.20) 3
Final Pot: $143.20
UTG shows Qh Ks (Ace King high)
UTG+1 shows 7c Kc (Ace King high)
UTG wins $140.20
(Rake: $3.00)
UTG is LAG
UTG+1 is a fish
i kind get the read that UTG is pushing with nothing, but the fish call that flop plush.
Do i have the odds here to call that?
Comments
As far as having odds to call, with that flop I don't think a fold is out of order at all.
/g2
It happens and if you think being outplayed is a bad beat you're playing the wrong game.
Really not sure what to say, AQ is kind of awkward to play out of position vs the types of players you are talking about on a raggy flop. Once you check post flop you give up, so you may want to rethink how you play hands like AQ AK etc out of position vs these types of players.
Calling $60ish of two players with ace high when you have about 6 bucks invested cant be correct, but how you played the hand will set up that frustrating situation, so a couple options
1) Just check the BB and if you get a good flop fine, if not no big deal just fold. If they both end up going all in and 9 high wins , whatever who cares. 27 off all in preflop is great if you know the flop will be 772 after all. Since you will likely not invent time travel, don't get worked up about could have beens.
2) Raise to about $35 preflop which forces the play post flop if you think these guys will call with KQ type hands. Not sure I would go this approach with AQ, but I have done it (huge basically all in raises preflop) with AK AA to JJ vs some really really loose bad players.
PokerStars Game #11575036561: Tournament #57909200, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/08/19 - 14:41:36 (ET)
Table '57909200 254' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Psutka23 (5760 in chips)
Seat 2: luctor (3410 in chips)
Seat 3: Dashornman (3040 in chips)
Seat 4: Greedy76 (7065 in chips)
Seat 5: harveydog (2415 in chips)
Seat 6: skeeze666 (2697 in chips)
Seat 7: BigBadBoozer (3415 in chips)
Seat 8: b8r7 (2745 in chips)
Seat 9: Betbeater (1383 in chips)
harveydog: posts small blind 15
skeeze666: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Psutka23 [Ks Kh]
BigBadBoozer: folds
b8r7: folds
Betbeater: calls 30
Psutka23: raises 120 to 150
luctor: raises 120 to 270
Dashornman: folds
Greedy76: folds
harveydog: folds
skeeze666: folds
Betbeater: folds
Psutka23: raises 3960 to 4230
luctor: calls 3140 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Kc 7c Jd]
*** TURN *** [Kc 7c Jd] [Js]
*** RIVER *** [Kc 7c Jd Js] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Psutka23: shows [Ks Kh] (a full house, Kings full of Jacks)
luctor: shows [Ad Jc] (four of a kind, Jacks)
luctor collected 6895 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6895 | Rake 0
Board [Kc 7c Jd Js Jh]
Seat 1: Psutka23 showed [Ks Kh] and lost with a full house, Kings full of Jacks
Seat 2: luctor showed [Ad Jc] and won (6895) with four of a kind, Jacks
Seat 3: Dashornman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Greedy76 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: harveydog (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: skeeze666 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: BigBadBoozer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: b8r7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Betbeater folded before Flop
All I have to say is OUCH.. now thats a beat.
[X] Four Jack beats Kings Full every time.
i was talking with one of my poker buddy, and this got me thinking (oh..no)
pot is $143 comes to me
the read on villian, air or over pair JJ and under or top pair.
both me and UTG+1 is deep stack. <-Important information
since we already determine UTG+1 is a fish
why would fish just call?.
weak TPTK
Gut draw.
two over card
set
even fish will push with over pair,on action flop like that.
so over pair is out.
now, 3 out of 4 possible holding, cannot take much of heat
say, i check reraise all-in
UTG+1 fold 75% of time I would get 3:1 pot odds
50% UTG has two face card, i would win 87.1% = $173.85 - $25.75 = 148.1
50% UTG has JJ and under pair or top pair, I would win 24.75% = $49.40 -150.20= (-100.8)
+EV 47.3
25% of time UTG + 1 call
Now this is part where my disagreement with my buddy, on how math should calculate.
he want to use 20% set, 80% draw (because it's a fish)
ya easy to say that, after you see the hole card......*(&*)(*
thurs making my fold -EV, and i was playing too passive, when i should push all-in here.
does he remotely got this right, or should i just cut him off on furture poker analysis
If you do overcall two all in players with AQ high in future let us know how it goes.