Count the mistakes

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I was tired. I was winning. Excuses, excuses... ah well. At the end of the day, there's no such thing. It's high time I posted a hand that I played poorly (you may say that many of them fit that description ;) ), so in the spirit of 'SUITED BABY!!!', please count the mistakes I made in this train wreck of a hand. Neither of my opponents were maniacs.

PokerStars Game #731809541: Hold'em Limit ($15/$30) - 2004/09/30 - 01:45:28 (ET)
Table 'Bahner' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: Mek77 ($578 in chips)
Seat 3: all aces ($1339 in chips)
Seat 4: PKTO ($456 in chips)
Seat 5: T.J.Turkey ($890 in chips)
Seat 6: Mr. Klean ($924 in chips)
Seat 7: Lampman ($632 in chips)
Seat 8: Felson ($511 in chips)
Seat 10: Nikko ($952 in chips)
Lampman: posts small blind $10
Felson: posts big blind $15
zackster1: sits out
MrBinh: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to all aces [5h Kh]
Nikko: folds
Mek77: folds
all aces: calls $15
PKTO: calls $15
T.J.Turkey: calls $15
Mr. Klean: folds
Lampman: calls $5
Felson: checks
*** FLOP *** [6d 9s Kc]
Lampman: checks
Felson: checks
all aces: bets $15
PKTO: calls $15
T.J.Turkey: raises $15 to $30
Lampman: folds
Felson has timed out
Felson: folds
Felson is sitting out
all aces: calls $15
PKTO: calls $15
*** TURN *** [6d 9s Kc] [5s]
all aces: checks
Felson has returned
PKTO: checks
T.J.Turkey: bets $30
all aces: raises $30 to $60
PKTO: raises $30 to $90
T.J.Turkey: folds
all aces: calls $30
*** RIVER *** [6d 9s Kc 5s] [5c]
all aces: checks
PKTO: bets $30
all aces: raises $30 to $60
PKTO: raises $30 to $90
all aces: calls $30
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PKTO: shows [9c 9h] (a full house, Nines full of Fives)
all aces: shows [5h Kh] (a full house, Fives full of Kings)
PKTO collected $552 from pot
all aces said, "n"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $555 | Rake $3
Board [6d 9s Kc 5s 5c]
Seat 2: Mek77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: all aces showed [5h Kh] and lost with a full house, Fives full of Kings
Seat 4: PKTO showed [9c 9h] and won ($552) with a full house, Nines full of Fives
Seat 5: T.J.Turkey folded on the Turn
Seat 6: Mr. Klean (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Lampman (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: Felson (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 10: Nikko folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I believe that my goal must have been to lose the maximum.

Regards,
all_aces

Comments

  • PiggaPigga
    Hey aces, my 2 cents on the hand: thanks for the reply on my Tournament hand earlier , heres what i think about this one.


    Pre-flop: decent position, i wouldnt called (yes, suited, i know, flame on heh) but myself i cant see me putting $15 into a pot w/ K :heart: 5 :heart: ever but then again i dont play those higher limits, i'd might do it in a 1-2 game or something that i dont care if it gets raised but you play higher limits for that reason, your a way better player, and can afford it.

    On The Flop: sure you got top pair, but easily could be outkicked in a heartbeat. Just like my hand i posted w/ the Q8s....i agree w/ BBC Z
    BBC Z wrote:
    Only an ok play if you are on a table full of limpers.. But you didn't seem to be.. If you hit the Q on the flop, are you really going to like it much?

    On The Turn: I would probably be sitting at my screen at this point and be jumping for joy b/c its a card that i was praying for at that point. With your opponents re-raise here i put him on a straight trying to scare the possible flush out. I dont think your raise was a bad move here though b/c i would this I had the best hand at this point.

    River: I would bet here to thinking, well, I just cracked his straight and he is going to pay me off.....then he re-raises and i'd be twiddling my thumbs......good decision just to call on his re-raise and not lose another bet. The only card i would be hoping for at this point would be one of the remaining 2 kings (after he re-raised you on turn) in case of a slowplayed set.

    there was only 3 hands that could of beat you here, 2 of them were easily possible 66,99,and KK. i would not put him on KK at all here simply b/c of no pre-flop raise.he could easily limp in w/ 66 or 99 or like i said on the turn 78 soooted.

    besides that if i played that hand (if i could afford to) i probably would of done the same thing give or take one bet here or there.

    Pigga
  • Paul3221Paul3221
    I'm with Pigga on the pre flop call. I probably would have folded that hand in MP, but once you were in, it went you're way, so what do I know.
    I might have bet the turn, but then I don't play $15/$30. I'm sure people there don't draw to inside straights and flushes as much as they do at lower limits.
    Basically I think I would have played it the same once I saw the flop... of course this is like some kid who plays pond hockey telling Gretzky how to play, so take it for what it's worth... ;)
  • MickeyHoldemMickeyHoldem
    The poker gods have your back man....


    Let's see... count the mistakes... hmmm...
    1) marginal hand to play from MP but hey... it's sooooted BABY.
    2) I don't know if I'm comfortable enough to bet out on that flop... but I'm sure i'm not comfortable enough to call that raise!
    2.5) OK... the miracle card happens... you let TJ bet out with his K and good kicker ;) and then raise him... I like that... but bang... PTKO come over you with a re-raise. Upon review of his play, I would say you should be able to put him on trips... (unless it's late... and your tired... and your winning;) ) Your call here is probably not a mistake though... you're getting about 11 to 1 pot odds to draw to your 4 (or probably 3) outer.

    Nothing wrong with the river play... so I get 2.5...

    I hear there's a great DVD coming out for Christmas... check it out... it may improve your play:D

    Nice pot btw
  • ChugsChugs
    I think once you made your decision to play the hand, you did everything right.

    You just used a perfect example though of why hand selection is the key to everything.

    Crummy cards can only make a good crummy hand, while great cards can make a good great hand.

    In the end the better hand won and that's the moral of the story.
  • BBC ZBBC Z
    I think this is just a situation where you fall in love with your cards and discount any show of strength by other players..

    But then again, this is 15/30 so I don't know what the normal plays are like..
  • sweetjimmisweetjimmi
    I believe that my goal must have been to lose the maximum.
    To lose the max. on this hand you should have capped the turn and the river. LOL.

    By the way, when you flat called the reraise on the turn it looks like you are realizing the set is out there. So why check-raise on the river?

    My count is 1) for playing the crap in a terrible position, 2)check-raising the river instead of check calling, and 3)calling the rereraise on the river (you should have either folded or capped based on your check raise). Not that I like the way your oppenent played the hand but they made hard to put them on a set until the rereraise on the turn which cost you a lot of bets.

    As said above this is a perfect example of hand selection in Hold'em. Just imagine how much you may have lost with this hand at a No-Limit table.
  • UnknownUnknown
    By the way, when you flat called the reraise on the turn it looks like you are realizing the set is out there. So why check-raise on the river?

    That was, IMHO, my biggest mistake. I didn't put him on the straight (why not? I'm not sure...), and I was certain he had a set on the turn. The river card doesn't put me ahead of the hand I believed I was losing to on the turn, so why on earth would I go for a checkraise?

    More to follow, gotta hop in my car and go to work now...

    Cheers,
    all_aces
  • UnknownUnknown
    In reading the replies more closely, it looks like Paul and Mickey both thought I won the hand... I didn't, I lost! Lost lost lost! Soooooo lost the hand.

    Well, it's unanimous. I am a terrible person. ;) No, no... that hand sucked. (Scotty, I realized after I posted it that it could be taken as being a 'bad beat' story... again, that's not what I meant it as. I felt zero disappointment about losing the hand... I deserved to. I was just kind of shaking my head, and saying to myself: 'Jesus. You'll have to do better than that.')
    I hear there's a great DVD coming out for Christmas... check it out... it may improve your play:D
    Interestingly enough, but not surprisingly, my play in this hand pretty much goes against every single piece of advice I give in that DVD. What can I say? I had a brain-cramp. What else can I say? I promise that's not how I teach people to play... :)

    Mistake #1: Playing this hand, K5s.
    Mistake #2: Calling the raise on the flop. I seriously considered laying it down to that single raise. I didn't get the kind of flop I was looking for (hearts), so why bother continuing with the hand? At least one of the players had me beat, and I was probably drawing very thin, or dead. My bet was for information. Well, I got it, but then ignored it.

    Nothing that terrible about the turn, IMO. I hit my kicker, went for the check-raise, then PKTO check-re-raises (the most terrifying move in limit hold'em, when it's coming from a solid player), but I have to call because the pot's so big. At that point I was thinking he had K9, but more likely a set.

    Mistake #3: So, if he had a set, that river card doesn't change a thing for me. Both of our hands improved... I was behind on the turn (most likely), so I'm still behind on the river (most likely). Checking and calling would have been the best play to have made.

    Merry Christmas, PKTO. All of these mistakes have been mentioned by you guys already... just thought I'd consolidate them.

    Regards,
    all_aces
  • ScottyZScottyZ
    Count the mistakes

    Just one? Playing while tired.

    Okay, okay. I'm sure you meant you want some hand analysis. ;)

    I don't like the pre-flop call. Don't let SUITED BABY get into your head.

    On the flop, I like checking and folding. Yes, you've got to fold top pair no kicker with that many players in. Betting out is marginal, and check-call here would be downright ugly.

    The turn actually gives you a hand. Going for a check-raise is fine here. The flop raiser may have only one pair of Kings at this point. When the 3rd player in wakes up with a check-reraise, you should be hearing alarm bells. The pot is big here, and it's not impossible (though not too likely either) for the 3rd bet to simply be a strong aggressive move with 65, KQ, or AK. You also have the odds to chase 87 for one more bet. I think you played the turn fine.

    Check-raising the river is going a little too far. You might consider betting out instead, as you can't really rule out 87 here. That way you lose 2 bets instead of 3 when you are behind. I prefer checking and calling though. The turn check-reraise indicates enormous strength.

    ScottyZ
  • Paul3221Paul3221
    Actually I knew that you lost, although I can see how you would read that into it. By saying "it went you're way", I meant that you hit top pair, then two pair, then a full house. ;)
  • UnknownUnknown
    Ahhh... OK, sry dude. Ignore previous statement. :)
  • stonesknstoneskn
    I had the (almost) same thing happen to me at Party.

    me and one player limp in
    me : (KQoff)
    flop comes Q 6 Q
    we both cap it. I'm thinking this dudes got the AQ (just wait...)
    turn comes a blank, I check raise (ohhhh hindsight really IS 20/20)
    then the river A
    I bet, he calls.

    guess what he had?
  • MickeyHoldemMickeyHoldem
    omg... note to self... never try and answer a post at 7 in the morning b4 daily coffee intake!!!

    I'm at work and it pops into my head... 5s full of kings... hmmm... trip 9s... board pairs...crap...aces lost that hand... talk about brain cramps...
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