Running bad

Kristy

So I am; and I vaguely remember some epic threads on the subject..but since I was running good at the time I didn't pay much attention to the content therein.

'Search' was unproductive (I even ran bad there!) Does anyone remember who started it or have the link?

Also, any tidbits? I took a break and came back to continue running gross. I'm not making poor decisions and still getting my money in good. I tried moving from large #entrant MTT's to 5 tables, but now I'm just feeling apathetic about the money to be won, and poker has gone from fun, challenging and exciting to a boring, special olympics befriending, grind.

philliivey

i feel your pain kristy. can i give you a hug???:)


went thru the same thing last week, patience is a virtue, just be patient and make the tough folds and you will bounce back, the last 2 or 3 days have been back to good for me after a 0 for 14 slump the last week.

Buddha

I know how you feel. Last week, it happened to me 4 times in 2 days that someone would hit a 3-outter to either eliminate me or cripple me. (ex: all-in pre-flop, AK vs. AQ and villaing flops the Q) I asked a fellow player, "That's 4 times in 2 days?! What are the odds of that?!" and he said, "7% every time." True - gotta look at the big picture.

If you're getting your money in good, what else can you do? My only questions is "how good?" 52-48? 60-40? That's the only thing I would look at. If all else fails, remember this quote which should make you feel a little better:

"If you are an excellent player, people are going to draw out on you alot more than you're going to draw out on them because they're simply going to have the worst hand against you a lot more times that you have the worst hand against them. There's no way you're going to draw out on anybody if you don't get all your money in there with the worst hand." - Bobby Baldwin

It may not be much consolation... but if others are sucking out... it simply means you're the better player.

_obv_

variance in donkaments is sick... i have gone 60 tourneys in a row without cashing before... take time off, drop down in stakes, play less tables and really focus on your game. If you are constantly thinking about how bad you are running, it is probably affecting your play no matter what you think. Consistently getting your money in good doesnt always mean you are playing well... you may be playing too tight and not picking up chips in earlier spots that would allow you to take a hit and still be alive in the tourney. If the only times you are getting it in bad are coolers you are probably doing something wrong.

Milo

Very early in my obsession, I read Poker and the Art of Zen (sic). Still have it. So every once in a while, when variance decides to bite me in the ass, I skim my way through it. Usually helps to settle down my nerves, and keep me focused on making good decisions at the table. It's tough to trust that all you have to do is keep making sound judgements and things will go your way, but there it is. As long as the rest of your poker universe is in order, you WILL ride this out with minimal losses. And, when the turnaround comes, reread The Art of War and place your heel firmly on their throats. I'll invoice you later.

Kristy

Great info, thanks guys!

A couple of you have had tough 'week's..I'm on week 5 now of breaking even: me= :fish:, thank goodness casino players = :fish:* :fish: to the power of :fish:


Edit: I don't think that I'm playing too tight, just really, really running bad...but I think _obv_'s point is an excellent one.

Milo you nailed it perfectly with:

It's tough to trust that all you have to do is keep making sound judgements and things will go your way, but there it is.

schabs

Welcome to the club kristy. come play 2.50 MTT on stars lol im bored

philliivey

ok schabs registered, you must be schabert im guessing. no sit n go on stars right now so everyone playing this tourny, bingofest.


quote=schabs;137657]Welcome to the club kristy. come play 2.50 MTT on stars lol im bored[/quote]

Kristy

What the hell is up with that? No sng's

philliivey

pokerstars is crashing and burning


buahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

Davis08

your guys' MTT talk is making me excited!

ReefAquarium

I posted earlier about how I was running badly.

I was running super hot for a while then I was going through a 180 big bet downswing at limit poker.
Here's what I did.

1. I started posting hands so I could get other peoples advice about how I was playing. I find that often I am, "Too close to the action" to self evaluate and having, "Another pair of eyes" look at the hands helps.

2. I re-read my books. esp. Hold'em poker for advanced players; Small stakes hold'em; Middle limit hold'em ; How good it your limit hold'em.

3. I took time to examine the hands in poker tracker.

4. I did a bunch of physical exercise worked on eating properly and getting lots of sleep.

5. I read a bunch of strategy forums and posted a hand a day.

6. I watched a bunch of video's

7. I watched a bunch of dvd's.

8. I talked with my poker playing friends.

9. I posted on this forum.

10. I moved down in stakes.

11............. I said, "Frig it" and switched from limit to no limit LOL.

It seemed to work.. I'm running super hot.

Kristy

I'd post hands but they'd all look like this:

PokerStars Game #14657386720: Tournament #73676497, $25.00+$2.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2008/01/18 - 22:05:04 (ET)
Table '73676497 161' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Y2JKID (5895 in chips)
Seat 2: xparamon (20472 in chips)
Seat 3: freeholflash (4750 in chips)
Seat 4: Ruupa (8780 in chips)
Seat 5: Luigi da BP (26314 in chips)
Seat 6: GSAC21 (10825 in chips)
Seat 7: tj5151 (3275 in chips)
Seat 8: Kristy_Sea (12410 in chips)
Seat 9: HeVoBie (6350 in chips)
Y2JKID: posts the ante 25
xparamon: posts the ante 25
freeholflash: posts the ante 25
Ruupa: posts the ante 25
Luigi da BP: posts the ante 25
GSAC21: posts the ante 25
tj5151: posts the ante 25
Kristy_Sea: posts the ante 25
HeVoBie: posts the ante 25
Y2JKID: posts small blind 200
xparamon: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kristy_Sea [Jc Js]
freeholflash: raises 1200 to 1600
Ruupa: folds
Luigi da BP: folds
GSAC21: folds
tj5151: folds
Kristy_Sea: raises 3125 to 4725
HeVoBie: folds
Y2JKID: folds
xparamon: folds
freeholflash: calls 3125 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [5s 4d 8d]
*** TURN *** [5s 4d 8d] [7d]
*** RIVER *** [5s 4d 8d 7d] [Ad]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
freeholflash: shows [7s 8s] (two pair, Eights and Sevens)
Kristy_Sea: shows [Jc Js] (a pair of Jacks)
freeholflash collected 10275 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10275 | Rake 0
Board [5s 4d 8d 7d Ad]
Seat 1: Y2JKID (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: xparamon (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: freeholflash showed [7s 8s] and won (10275) with two pair, Eights and Sevens
Seat 4: Ruupa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Luigi da BP folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: GSAC21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: tj5151 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Kristy_Sea showed [Jc Js] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 9: HeVoBie (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


or

- Level VII (100/200) - 2008/02/07 - 00:30:47 (ET)
Table '76596346 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Kristy_Sea (9180 in chips)
Seat 5: SpasticColan (4320 in chips)
Kristy_Sea: posts the ante 25
SpasticColan: posts the ante 25
Kristy_Sea: posts small blind 100
SpasticColan: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kristy_Sea [9c 9h]
Kristy_Sea: raises 400 to 600
SpasticColan: raises 3695 to 4295 and is all-in
Kristy_Sea: calls 3695
*** FLOP ***
*** TURN *** [4d]
*** RIVER *** [Jc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SpasticColan: shows [3s Ah] (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
Kristy_Sea: shows [9c 9h] (two pair, Jacks and Tens - lower kicker)
SpasticColan collected 8640 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8640 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: Kristy_Sea (button) (small blind) showed [9c 9h] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Tens
Seat 5: SpasticColan (big blind) showed [3s Ah] and won (8640) with two pair, Jacks and Tens

at least now there's a section for them

Milo

See my post in BBV for the quick response possibilities. Might not help your streak, but could make you giggle.

Buddha

Those are sick hands Kristy. I almost lost my breakfast seeing those. Shake it off... you're getting your money in good. When you make the correct decisions (which you seem to be doing), over the long run, you win.

Chuckieland

Buddha wrote: »

Those are sick hands Kristy. I almost lost my breakfast seeing those. Shake it off... you're getting your money in good. When you make the correct decisions (which you seem to be doing), over the long run, you win.

if that almost lost breakfast to you. then you don't want to read below
i love ftp, now just begin to understand poker.
$ up and down don't really bother me anymore, i'm just focus on getting all the money in while i'm mile a head.
FullTiltPoker Game #5235351314: Table Victory - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:15:48 ET - 2008/02/13
Seat 1: Billy Bourbon ($42.85)
Seat 2: allyasia ($59.90)
Seat 3: Crambone ($51.90)
Seat 4: nikemac ($61.80)
Seat 5: grave_keeper ($119.30) villian stats vpip over 70/0/1
Seat 6: Riccoche1985 ($45.10)
Seat 7: formerbrush ($17.15)
Seat 8: gweed621 ($13.15)
Seat 9: Cobain7 ($7.75)
grave_keeper posts the small blind of $0.25
Riccoche1985 posts the big blind of $0.50
5 seconds left to act
Crambone posts a dead small blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to allyasia [Ac Ah]
formerbrush folds
gweed621 folds
Cobain7 folds
Billy Bourbon folds
allyasia raises to $2
Crambone calls $2
nikemac folds
grave_keeper calls $1.75
Riccoche1985 folds
*** FLOP *** [2h Ad 2s]
grave_keeper has 15 seconds left to act
grave_keeper bets $4 right there, i know he has a two.
allyasia has 15 seconds left to act
allyasia raises to $8 villian like to overbet the pot with big hand. so i mini raise it. let him hang himself.
Crambone folds
grave_keeper has 15 seconds left to act acting, typical fish.
grave_keeper raises to $117.30, and is all in haha lol
allyasia calls $49.90, and is all in
grave_keeper shows [Kh 2d]
allyasia shows [Ac Ah]
Uncalled bet of $59.40 returned to grave_keeper
*** TURN *** [2h Ad 2s] [2c] $%*^(*&^()
*** RIVER *** [2h Ad 2s 2c] [4s]
grave_keeper shows four of a kind, Twos
allyasia shows a full house, Aces full of Twos
grave_keeper wins the pot ($119.55) with four of a kind, Twos
allyasia adds $50
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $122.55 | Rake $3
Board: [2h Ad 2s 2c 4s]
Seat 1: Billy Bourbon didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: allyasia showed [Ac Ah] and lost with a full house, Aces full of Twos
Seat 3: Crambone folded on the Flop
Seat 4: nikemac (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: grave_keeper (small blind) showed [Kh 2d] and won ($119.55) with four of a kind, Twos
Seat 6: Riccoche1985 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: formerbrush didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: gweed621 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: Cobain7 didn't bet (folded)

cadillac

Variance can be pretty sick. I have read somewhere that it would be possible to run below expectation in 1000 MTT's.

Plow throught it Kristy and good luck!

ReefAquarium

Wow that's really brutal chuckie!

magithighs

I often struggle with this. With the number of hands I play, I'll run into a bad run of cards at least once a month. As I mentioned in another post, only the length and severity of the bad run varies.

What I ask myself is "am I the best poker player I can be?" and "would a much better player experience the same results?" The answer is always no, and no.

Then the big question, "am I willing to change the way I play?" Oddly enough, sometimes the answer is no. I'm just not willing to change how I play.

When I'm willing to change, I find a spot to get some new ideas (forum, book, video, post hands etc.) and then move down in limits and test those ideas out. Then, when I feel more confident (bad run fixed or not), I go back to my old game and more often than not, my results get supercharged. I posted a couple of hands recently, which bugged me. I felt I made the right play, but the play was a symptom of another problem which was creeping into my game -- my agression wasn't there on the river and I was missing huge value bet opportunities (the one hand we played when we both made trip aces and I had you outkicked comes to mind)

If I'm not willing to change, well I just move down in limits and try different games -- stud, pot limit omaha etc. This is by far the most difficult approach, but sometimes, it's all you can do. You can't force things your way -- the cards do what they do.

Cheers
Magi

magithighs

Ooops and forgot my all time favourite for when you take a couple of bad beats in a row. Go down to .02/.04 and buy in max. Play the wildest crazy game you can play. Right now, I think I'm -400 bb/100 (-40 bucks) at this limit, but it sure is fun.

Also, this is the limit I play when I play drunk. More fun, less worries.

Cheers
Magi

cadillac

I open a $1.20 Sit-N-Go and open shove every hand til I bust.

This is great medicine for the soul and the reaction on the table is worth the price of admission.

Once I got 3rd place.

Hobbes

Chuckieland wrote: »

Seat 1: Billy Bourbon ($42.85)
Seat 2: allyasia ($59.90)
Seat 3: Crambone ($51.90)
Seat 4: nikemac ($61.80)
Seat 5: grave_keeper ($119.30) villian stats vpip over 70/0/1
Seat 6: Riccoche1985 ($45.10)
Seat 7: formerbrush ($17.15)
Seat 8: gweed621 ($13.15)
Seat 9: Cobain7 ($7.75)
grave_keeper posts the small blind of $0.25
Riccoche1985 posts the big blind of $0.50
5 seconds left to act
Crambone posts a dead small blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to allyasia [Ac Ah]
formerbrush folds
gweed621 folds
Cobain7 folds
Billy Bourbon folds
allyasia raises to $2
Crambone calls $2
nikemac folds
grave_keeper calls $1.75
Riccoche1985 folds

I find it strange that somone that tight would call even from the SB and then you go onto thinking he has a 2. How do you put someone that tight on a 2...maybe 22 but a single 2?

What made you put him on a 2?

ReefAquarium

Hobbes wrote: »

I find it strange that somone that tight would call even from the SB and then you go onto thinking he has a 2. How do you put someone that tight on a 2...maybe 22 but a single 2?

What made you put him on a 2?

umm a vpip of 70

Hobbes

ReefAquarium wrote: »

umm a vpip of 70

No 70 hands vpip 0% pfr 1% is the way I read it.
missed the word vpip...was just reading the numbers

My bad.

moose

Yes we know your reading ability sucks.

Only Mario's is worse. 99 vs AA haha.

Chuckieland

moose wrote: »

Yes we know your reading ability sucks.

Only Mario's is worse. 99 vs AA haha.

who's mario?

Hobbes

moose wrote: »

Yes we know your reading ability sucks.

Only Mario's is worse. 99 vs AA haha.

you got that right.

Hobbes

Chuckieland wrote: »

who's mario?

Itsame on the forum