AA OOP -- Street by Street -- Interesting

magithighs

Another interesting hand out of position. Again I think I played it right, but I'm really not that sure and would like some input.

Over 17 hands, UTG has raised 100%. Other villan has raised 50% over 30 hands. Both will not be pushed around but play relatively normal after the flop.

Party Poker $100 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $102.60
SB: $100.50
Hero (BB): $118.97
UTG: $101.00
MP: $100.00
CO: $35.58

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with :as :ad

UTG raises to $4, 2 folds, BTN calls $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $12, UTG calls $8, BTN calls $8

Thoughts on the raise here?

Flop: ($36.50) :jd :8d :3h (3 players)

What's your move here?

Cheers
Magi

-ev

Since you know these 2 are both maniacs PF but more reasonable after, I'd be tempted to get a bit more in PF. Maybe I raise to 15. I'd want to charge a bit more since I'm OOP.

On that flop, given your stack and opponents play, you are committed. So one way or another, you are getting your chips in. I don't see any need to get fancy. I'd lead out for 25-30 on the flop and get the rest of my chips in if raised. I'd push the rest in on the turn.

_obv_

Raise more preflop... make it like 16-18

Bet like 28 or so on the flop and call a shove

Davis08

with a raiser raising 4xBB PF and a caller i would raise more to prob $16 PF but thats just my opinion, i'd say u are getting your chips in here one way or another

BlondeFish

magithighs wrote: »

Hero is BB with :as :ad
Thoughts on the raise here?

I had the same situation happen to me this week. Two loose players raise 6* the BB to $12. I wake up with AA on the BB. Like you, I have the largest stack & have everybody covered. I re-raised to only $30 & they both called. In hindsight, I could have raised more to ~4* their bet (e.g., $45) & would probably still have gotten called.

My flop also had possible flush & straight draws. I bet $60 or 2/3 of the $91 pot. The preflop raiser min-raised to $120, leaving only around $100 behind. I opted to re-raise him all-in & he folded.

With $36.50 in the pot, both of your opponents have only $90 behind. I would bet at least $25 and would probably go all-in by the turn.

cadillac

I raise to $18 preflop. You are OOP X 2 with a premium hand. Charge them admission to see.

Based on your post-flop reads, I lead for around 50% of pot if I get one caller pre-flop. 2/3 if they both call.

magithighs

Totally agree on the raising more PF. This is what happens when you're running bad -- worried about getting action on the big hands. So, I raised a tad to little to get some action. I think 16-18 would be much better. Again, though I don't want to commit too much pre-flop, as I feel I can get all the chips in when I'm ahead post flop. But OOP against two players is bad.

On the flop, I think AJ, QQ, KK will want to protect. And the LAGS will definitely bet with nothing. So, once again, I check the flop -- thinking I am happy to get it all in with UTG, but will rethink if action is strange.

On the flop it goes, check, check, check. Hmmm... I like that and I don't like that.

Here's the hand

BTN: $102.60
SB: $100.50
Hero (BB): $118.97
UTG: $101.00
MP: $100.00
CO: $35.58

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with :as :ad

UTG raises to $4, 2 folds, BTN calls $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $12, UTG calls $8, BTN calls $8

Thoughts on the raise here?

Flop: ($36.50) :jd :8d :3h (3 players)


The turn is :6h which doesn't change much.

I bet $26, call, call. I really, really hate that call, call. For sure one is on a flush and the other could be on monster. No reason to call my bet with AJ, QQ, KK, AA or even TT. More than likely a push with those hands. Could be flush draw, flush draw as well.

River is :6d. What is your move?

Cheers
Magi

-ev

Fold out of turn. Smash your computer and never play online again.

SirWatts

Yeah definitely just reraise bigger and bet the flop. Now you gotta check and see what happens, there's still a ton of stuff that missed that could bluff here, going to have to make a tough decision based on whaetver reads you have.

_obv_

You have to bet this flop against 2 players. As played check the river and see what happens. I tend to be a calling station on the river and likely call more than most. You very likely had the best hand on the turn and all the river completes is a diamond flush and since you have the A of diamonds there are fewer diamond combinations they could have... i doubt T9 of diamonds plays it this way same with 97 and 54 of diamonds since by the turn they are open ended as well. I guess KQ or QT of diamonds are really the only diamond draws that make sense and im not sure QT checks the flop with a gutshot straight flush draw. Basically since I don't think most diamond draws play the hand this way I have a hard time putting someone on diamonds. It really depends on how these guys have been playing draws... if they have been playing them passively I would be more inclined to fold.

magithighs

I love -ev's move -- much better than stonecold's new move I believe!

I think I need to raise more pre-flop. I do like the check on the flop as I get to see what the agro idiots do.

Party Poker $100 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
BTN: $102.60
SB: $100.50
Hero (BB): $118.97
UTG: $101.00
MP: $100.00
CO: $35.58
Pre Flop: Hero is BB with A :spade: A :diamond:
UTG raises to $4, 2 folds, BTN calls $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $12, UTG calls $8, BTN calls $8
Flop: ($36.50) :jd :8d :3h (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN checks
Turn: ($36.50) :6h (3 players)
Hero bets $28, UTG calls $28, BTN calls $28
River: ($120.50) :6d (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $61 all in, BTN raises to $62.60 all in, Hero folds
Final Pot: $242.50
BTN shows Qd Td (a flush, Queen high)
UTG shows Jc Jh (a full house, Jacks full of Sixes)
BTN wins $1.60
UTG wins $239.50
(Rake: $1.40)

Buddha

Personally, I don't like the check on the flop. With possible straight draws and flush draws out there, you don't want to be giving away any free cards. I'd bet about 1/2 to 2/3 of the pot. If I get raised (which is likely if you have maniacs behind you), I push all in. If I get called, I consider if the turn may have helped the villains. If it didn't (which was the case) I'd over-bet the pot.

Then again, I play by feel alot... so depends on your feel for the situation and the players. But I think I'd have definitely bet the flop with flush draws and straight draws.