"By the book" play vs. tourists at a casino

do you think that playing by the book poker at a casino on a NLHE table, blinds 1/2$ is profitable without being too risky? I have never played outside of a home game or online, so i'm wondering what kind of action tourists give to a casino cash game. People have mentioned to me that the donkey's are easy to spot

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  • Davis08 wrote: »
    do you think that playing by the book poker at a casino on a NLHE table, blinds 1/2$ is profitable without being too risky? I have never played outside of a home game or online, so i'm wondering what kind of action tourists give to a casino cash game. People have mentioned to me that the donkey's are easy to spot

    Yes, assuming the rake or session fee is reasonable.

    1 mistake I see people make (especially LAGs) when playing a table full of tourists/donks is bluffing too much. Tables full of tourists/donks are very bad to bluff a lot, they just don't fold. It's great when you have a hand.

    Primetime on a weekend will have lots of tourists/donks.
  • Players in casinos come to the casino to PLAY. So expect more loose play. Luckily that also usually comes with passiveness so you have tonnes of options to take advantage. Patience is a reasonable idea in this case.

    Most weekday evenings have few tourists (from my experience), mostly they are regulars (which doesn't mean they are any good) and grinders (who usually have more of a clue). I've found the juciest games for my style take place during the day during the week (grinders who have jobs are working, but there's lots of touristy players that are done for a day session).

    And the other key is what HP_John mentioned. Because they came to play, they are unlikely to fold so bear that in mind on draw heavy boards.
  • I find that playing against a table full of fish you need to make sure that they don't peg you as a tight ass who only plays the nutts. Talk it up and make it "SEEM" like you're also there to gamble it up just like everyone else. You'll get maximum action and maximum value with that kind of image.

    Just because they are fish/tourists - they know who's tight and loose/gambling. Try to make them think you're there to gamble and you'll have them putting in a lot of money with the worst of it.
  • Any low-limit casino game I have played at BCC, Fallsview, CN, Seneca are chalked full of regulars with 4 max tourists at the table. I am sure Vegas/AC may be different. Where specifically are you talking?

    What is your goal? To sit down and play solid poker? Take a shot and make some quick $$? Just have fun? Grind it out and make a wage?

    I think the answer to the above question dictates your play more than a random table composition. ABC will not accomplish many of the above at the lowest levels that the casino offers. My advice would be to mix it up and try and get into a couple multi-way pots cheap and stack someone when you flop a monster. Then bleed off chips trying to repeat. Talk it up, have some fun!
  • regulars are very loose and will call any raise on the hope to hit the flop and take all your money when you hold AA and the flop comes 4510 (they hold 45off). I see it everytime I play at a casino. The guy who plays by the book and only plays the top 5 hands against many regulars who call because they know if they hit, all your money will disappear. Beware!
  • I strongly disagree. The minority of players who truly knows how to play "by the book" or solid "ABC" poker will win a lot more money than those who "are very loose and will call any raise." Playing only AA-JJ & AK is nowhere near optimal, but if you have a table full of tourists or maniacs calling your raises, then you should relish it instead of being scared. Embrace the +EV variance, be prepared to make a maximum rebuy, then clean up that table! If you can't handle the +EV heat, then get out of the poker kitchen! ;)
    pokerJAH wrote: »
    very loose and will call any raise on the hope to hit the flop and take all your money when you hold AA and the flop comes 4510 (they hold 45off). I see it everytime I play at a casino. The guy who plays by the book and only plays the top 5 hands against many regulars who call because they know if they hit, all your money will disappear.
  • solid ABC works because the players are fcktarded, add in PP with good implied and I just don't see how anyone doesn't make money playing casino 1/2.

    Seriously, variance can kiss my black ass...I said it and I mean it...you need to have a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad night to do worse than break even.
  • Kristy_Sea wrote: »
    solid ABC works because the players are fcktarded, add in PP with good implied and I just don't see how anyone doesn't make money playing casino 1/2.

    Seriously, variance can kiss my black ass...I said it and I mean it...you need to have a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad night to do worse than break even.

    If it was that easy, why isn't everyone doing this for a living? please.
    If you can make 200-300 a night playing 1/2, why keep you day job?
  • pokerJAH wrote: »
    regulars are very loose and will call any raise on the hope to hit the flop and take all your money when you hold AA and the flop comes 4510 (they hold 45off). I see it everytime I play at a casino. The guy who plays by the book and only plays the top 5 hands against many regulars who call because they know if they hit, all your money will disappear. Beware!

    I agree with the first half of your post and somewhat agree with the second. You don't want to ever just play top 5 hands, but you don't want to just play any two cards either. I watched a player that is 'good' play almost every flop (8 out of 10) and saw his stack dwindle, dwindle, and then he'd catch a flop and go back up to half his original stack and repeat. This isn't going to get you paid long term. (This was a pre-planned strategy and he wanted to see how it worked)

    But I certainly think that you can see more flops than just top 5 hands. It's not an all or nothing thing.

    I also vary my play by position, what's a call may become a raise in good position. I also may fold a hand or two in early position that I'll call in late position.. Keep watching who is in the hand with you, because that makes a huge difference.

    Yesterday there was a girl that reraised with flush draws as well as monsters. So if the board was draw heavy and you had a premium hand, you could safely call or re-raise her back knowing that there was a chance she's chasing that draw. You'd lose when she was raising a monster but when the flush didn't hit, you'd make up for it.
  • It's definitely not easy because of the rake effect. In a rake-free home game, five out of every 10 players can make money in the long run. In a game where you pay a rake & tips, think of the house as the best player in the world with a win rate of $100-$250/hour. You can't win as much as that best player, but if there are enough bad players such as those who are "very loose and will call any raise", then above-average players can make money in the long run. I'll try to update my Rake Analysis thread when I have time.
    pokerJAH wrote: »
    If it was that easy, why isn't everyone doing this for a living?
  • Rake has a huge impact, it's why less than 10% are long-term winners. There's a huge chunk of players who'd be up or even if not for rake.
  • Kristy_Sea wrote: »
    solid ABC works because the players are fcktarded, add in PP with good implied and I just don't see how anyone doesn't make money playing casino 1/2.

    Seriously, variance can kiss my black ass...I said it and I mean it...you need to have a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad night to do worse than break even.

    I wouldn't go that far when you got some guys $400 in the pot with QQ or JJ when you have AA and they hit. I"m noticing at Rama there is a lot more hit and runs by people.
  • I play $1/2 cash on a weekly basis at my home casino, I find that 90% of the players are LAG's, so in a way yes I do loosen up somewhat, but when I do get a chance to peg a donkey, don't take any prisoners. Get your money in with the best hand, tourists, donks, LAG's whatever you want to call them, will chase anything....in the long run you will come out on top.
  • thanks for the input, many helpful replies.
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