MTT Early vs. lag

Whitehorse.

Standard or way too passive vs. decent lag early..I'm lost latetly...on a skid...thoughts?

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PokerStars Game #14170535894: Tournament #71192002, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/12/29 - 01:27:47 (ET)
Table '71192002 5' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: lovie 2 (5595 in chips)
Seat 2: expo703 (6835 in chips)
Seat 3: SiVTEC (5215 in chips)
Seat 4: CREEPY81 (2860 in chips)
Seat 5: pragmatic (4225 in chips)
Seat 6: VERY_HIGH (6315 in chips)
Seat 7: SlickScully (4025 in chips)
Seat 8: Akala16 (5110 in chips)
Seat 9: brentwesley (2095 in chips)
CREEPY81: posts small blind 15
pragmatic: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Akala16 [Qs Kc]
VERY_HIGH: folds
SlickScully: calls 30
Akala16: calls 30
brentwesley: folds
lovie 2: folds
expo703: folds
SiVTEC: raises 120 to 150
CREEPY81: folds
pragmatic: folds
SlickScully: calls 120
Akala16: calls 120
*** FLOP *** [Jd Td 2h]
SlickScully: checks
Akala16: checks
SiVTEC: bets 330
SlickScully: folds
Akala16: calls 330
*** TURN *** [Jd Td 2h] [3s]
Akala16: checks
SiVTEC: bets 885
SlickScully said, "you should push"
Akala16: folds
SiVTEC collected 1155 from pot
SiVTEC: doesn't show hand

SirWatts

I'd fold to the raise preflop your hand is dominated by a pretty big % of his range (also I would raise instead of limp a lot but I think limping is ok). As played this is fine, sivtec is pretty good iirc and he's got you dead here a whole lot.

m_dolens

limping with KQo in EP was probably not the best move. calling the preflop raise after that was not the best move either. that being said, you hit your OESD on the flop and then check/called which was possibly not the best move. i think this hand was played way too weak, especially since you ended up putting in 480 chips (with BB at 30) without even betting or raising once. i tend to subscribe to the philosophy that it's better to bet/raise than check/call most of the time.

despite the weak preflop play, i think you could have bet your OESD on the flop and possibly taken it down, or at least gotten to see the turn for less (i.e. villian could have possibly just called your bet which should have been about half the pot - 225). if he raised this flop bet, you could have folded and lost less anyway, plus you get some fold equity.

Kristy

That's what she said x2

fold this to the raise pf; actually unless I'm pretty comfortable with my table (and that kristy>table) I might just fold this hand outright in your pos.
but calling is ok.

ReefAquarium

Whitehorse. wrote: »

Standard or way too passive vs. decent lag early..I'm lost latetly...on a skid...thoughts?

*********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Game #14170535894: Tournament #71192002, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/12/29 - 01:27:47 (ET)
Table '71192002 5' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: lovie 2 (5595 in chips)
Seat 2: expo703 (6835 in chips)
Seat 3: SiVTEC (5215 in chips)
Seat 4: CREEPY81 (2860 in chips)
Seat 5: pragmatic (4225 in chips)
Seat 6: VERY_HIGH (6315 in chips)
Seat 7: SlickScully (4025 in chips)
Seat 8: Akala16 (5110 in chips)
Seat 9: brentwesley (2095 in chips)
CREEPY81: posts small blind 15
pragmatic: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Akala16 [Qs Kc]
VERY_HIGH: folds
SlickScully: calls 30
Akala16: calls 30

I would fold crap like KQo, AJo etc in early position. Do you play this kind of hand in early position? Or are you mixing up your game?

brentwesley: folds
lovie 2: folds
expo703: folds
SiVTEC: raises 120 to 150
CREEPY81: folds
pragmatic: folds
SlickScully: calls 120
Akala16: calls 120

I'd fold here you're out of position, you have bad hand.
What sort of range do you think you're ahead of?

*** FLOP *** [Jd Td 2h]
SlickScully: checks
Akala16: checks

I raise here, about 250. If he comes over top of me big, I fold.
You have OESD plus two overcards. The 2 flush is a bit scary ...
If called, I bet again on the turn if a flush card comes representing the flush.

The disadvantage of this line is that you risk getting blown off your very nice draw.
This flop has tons of texture so It's quite likely that he caught a piece of it. Lets find out now. Bet.

SiVTEC: bets 330
SlickScully: folds
Akala16: calls 330

*** TURN *** [Jd Td 2h] [3s]
Akala16: checks
SiVTEC: bets 885
SlickScully said, "you should push"
Akala16: folds
SiVTEC collected 1155 from pot
SiVTEC: doesn't show hand

Choron

Unless you play a super LAG game KQo sucks. Even then its easily foldable but its value goes up a bit.

Whitehorse.

I thought I played this awful post flop which is why I posted it. I got the flop I wanted and didn't bet it for some reason.

Pre flop, We have a good lag in lp looking to pick up chips early...I think I am well ahead of his range here.

Choron, At this level, YOU are one of the most lag players I have ever come across and you are open folding KQ here?

ReefAquarium

Whitehorse. wrote: »

Pre flop, We have a good lag in lp looking to pick up chips early...I think I am well ahead of his range here.

So you're limping/calling to isolate the lag *button*?
I hate playing lags out of position.

Is KQo enough to do that out of position?
What range do you put him on?

Whitehorse.

ReefAquarium wrote: »

So you're limping/calling to isolate the lag *button*?
I hate playing lags out of position.

Is KQo enough to do that out of position?
What range do you put him on?

I put him on a huge range here, but I blew it post flop I think.